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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Implementing the Constitution  Reply with quote

Implementing the Constitution.

Once the Constitution was ratified by nine States it was the "law of the land" and the sitting Congress (under the Articles of Confederation) determined the rules for the first two necessary actions - the election of the Members of Congress and the election of the President and of the Vice-President.

The 69 Electors (# of the then states' Representatives and Senators) unanimously elected George Washington as President, and 34 of the Electors also voted for John Adams as their second choice, thus he was appointed VP. (Four years later Washington again received all the Electors' votes with Adams receiving 77 as second choice).

The 1st Congress (only 20 Senators from the 10 of the then 11 states which had ratified the Constitution, as the New Yorkers were squabbling and couldn't agree on whom to appoint) convened on 3/4/89 in Freedom Hall - 26 Wall Street - New York City, New York; where the second session of the 1st Congress was also held.  

The third session was moved to Congress Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; where subsequently the remainder of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Congresses sat during the first two Washington administrations (1789-1797).

The great majority of laws passed by Congress during those first eight years were (1) the creation of the "nuts and bolts" - the federal rules and regulations - of implementation of the clauses of the Constitution; and (2) creation of the federal tax revenue schemes to pay off the debts occured by the federal congress and by the states' legislatures during and after the Revolutionary War.  

Prior to the ratification of the Constitution each state had handled its own financial debt, deficit and tax matters, and the federal congress not only had no powers to collect taxes but also required an unanimous vote of the states' to pass any federal legislation.

Of the 377 Public Laws and Private Laws passed by Congress in those eight years, 225 were in regard to taxes, tariffs, duties, embargoes, debts, deficits, bankruptcies, loans, federal property sales and acquisitions, and settlements of claims against the federal government and the states' debts it had assumed under the new Constitution.  

An amazing number of the Laws were to do with taxes, tariffs, imposts, etc. of Spirits, Snuff and Sugar.

The 225 of 377 Laws - the 67% of the total to do with regulation of trade, commerce, money matters and the resultant distribution of wealth - excludes Post Office, Post Roads and Lighthouse expenditures for the "common good."

Portal to U.S. Public and Private Laws: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Statutes_at_Large

And Congress during the Washington administration was the most divided in the history of the U.S., with President of the Senate John Adams (the Vice-President of the U.S.) having to cast 29 tie-breaking votes - 1 of every 13 of the Laws.  Since 1800 the average tie-breaking votes in the Senate has been 1 of every 200, or 0.05%.

As an example of the stringent suffrage laws in most of the Colonies prior to Independence, John Adams - although a free white adult, a graduate of Harvard, then a Latin professor, and after that an attorney passing the Bar of the Boston Superior Court - was NOT allowed to actively participate in political meetings (town halls, state assemblies, etc.) NOR allowed to vote, until his dad died and he inherited a portion of the landed estate, i.e. became a "freeholder."

However, as noted in other threads in this Forum, as the States re-wrote their Constitutions after 1776 - and as farming and timbering  moved from subsistence economies (94% of the population pre-independence lived on farms) to capitalist trade economies - most of the new Constitutions not only included a Bill of individuals' Rights, but also expanded suffrage from freeholders to non-propertied free white men and free black men (but not indians) who had a determined amount of wealth/capital, and who paid taxes. By the end of Washington's administration, approx. half the free adult men in the U.S. could legally vote.

The 4th Congress, convening on 12/7/95, was the first with Representatives apportioned based upon the population of the individual States as determined by the U.S. Census of 1790, as mandated by the Constitution.  

The 4th also was the first "2-Party" Congress, the Federalists with a majority in the Senate with the Democratic Republicans having a majority in the House.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it fitting to take a look at the Founders' actions and rationales in regard to protecting U.S. citizens' businesses, federal income, taxes, and debt/deficit spending.

In the 1st Congress, one of the first laws passed:

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July 4, 1789.
"An Act for laying a Duty on Goods, Wares, and Merchandises imported into the United States,"

Sec. 1. Whereas it is necessary for the support of government, for the discharge of the debts of the United States, and the encouragement and protection of manufactures, that duties be laid on goods, wares and merchandises imported:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That from and after the first day of August next ensuing, the several duties hereinafter mentioned shall be laid on the following goods, wares and merchandises imported into the United States from any foreign port or place, that is to say: Specific duties on certain enumerated articles.

On all distilled spirits of Jamaica proof, imported from any kingdom or country whatsoever, per gallon, ten cents.
On all other distilled spirits, per gallon, eight cents.
On molasses, per gallon, two and a half cents.
On Madeira wine, per gallon, eighteen cents.
On all other wines, per gallon, ten cents.
On every gallon of beer, ale or porter in casks, five cents.
On all cider, beer, ale or porter in bottles, per dozen, twenty cents.
On malt, per bushel, ten cents.
On brown sugars, per pound, one cent.
On loaf sugars, per pound, three cents.
On all other sugars, per pound, one and a half cents.
On coffee, per pound, two and a half cents.
On cocoa, per pound, one cent.
On all candles of tallow, per pound, two cents.
On all candles of wax or spermaceti, per pound, six cents.
On cheese, per pound, four cents.
On soap, per pound, two cents.
On boots, per pair, fifty cents.
On all shoes, slippers or goloshoes made of leather, per pair, seven cents.
On all shoes or slippers made of silk or stuff; per pair, ten cents.
On cables, for every one hundred and twelve pounds, seventy-five cents.
On tarred cordage, for every one hundred and twelve pounds, seventy-five cents.
On untarred ditto, and yarn, for every one hundred and twelve pounds, ninety cents.
On twine or packthread, for every one hundred and twelve pounds, two hundred cents.
On all steel unwrought, for every one hundred and twelve pounds, fifty-six cents.
On all nails and spikes, per pound, one cent.
On salt, per bushel, six cents.
On manufactured tobacco, per pound, six cents.
On snuff, per pound, ten cents.
On indigo, per pound, sixteen cents.
On wool and cotton cards, per dozen, fifty cents.
On coal, per bushel, two cents.
On pickled fish, per barrel, seventy-five cents.
On dried fish, per quintal, fifty cents.

On teas imported from India or China.
On all teas imported from China or India, in ships built in the United States, and belonging to a citizen or citizens thereof, or in ships or vessels built in foreign countries, and on the sixteenth day of May last wholly the property of a citizen or citizens of the United States, and so continuing until the time of importation, as follows:
On bohea tea, per pound, six cents.
On all souchong, or other black teas, per pound, ten cents.
On all hyson teas, per pound, twenty cents.
On all other green teas, per pound, twelve cents.

On teas imported from Europe.
On all teas imported from Europe in ships or vessels built in the United States, and belonging wholly to a citizen or citizens thereof, orin ships or vessels built in foreign countries, and on the sixteenth day of May last wholly the property of a citizen or citizens of the United States, and so continuing until the time of importation, as follows:
On bohea tea, per pound, eight cents.
On all souchong, and other black teas, per pound, thirteen cents.
On all hyson teas, per pound, twenty-six cents.
On all other green teas, per pound, sixteen cents.

On all teas imported, in any other manner than as above mentioned, as follows:
On bohea tea, per pound, fifteen cents.
On all souchong, or other black teas, per pound, twenty-two cents.
On all hyson teas, per pound, forty-five cents.
On all other green teas, per pound, twenty-seven cents.

On all other goods imported from India or China, 12½ per centum ad valorem.

On all goods, wares and merchandises, other than teas, imported from China or India, in ships not built in the United States, and not wholly the property of a citizen or citizens thereof, nor in vessels built in foreign countries, and on the sixteenth day of May last wholly the property of a citizen or citizens of the United States, and so continuing until the time of importation, twelve and a half per centum ad valorem.

On other enumerated articles [below], 10 per centum ad valorem.

On all looking-glasses, window and other glass (except black quart bottles),
On all China, stone and earthen ware,
On gunpowder,
On all paints ground in oil,
On shoe and knee buckles,
On gold and silver lace, and
On gold and silver leaf,

On other enumerated articles [below], 7½ per ct. ad valorem.

On all blank books,
On all writing, printing or wrapping paper, paper-hangings and pasteboard,
On all cabinet wares,
On all buttons,
On all saddles,
On all gloves of leather,
On all hats of beaver, fur, wool, or mixture of either,
On all millinery ready made,
On all castings of iron, and upon slit and rolled iron,
On all leather tanned or tawed, and all manufacture of leather, except such as shall be otherwise rated,
On canes, walking sticks and whips,
On clothing ready made,
On all brushes,
On gold, silver, and plated ware, and on jewelry and paste work,
On anchors, and on all wrought, tin, and pewter ware,

On playing cards, per pack, ten cents.
On every coach, chariot or other four wheel carriage, and on every chaise, solo, or other two wheel carriage, or parts thereof fifteen per centum ad valorem.

On all other goods, except certain articles, 5 per cent. on the value at the time and place of importation.

On all other goods, wares and merchandise, five per centum on the value thereof at the time and place of importation, except as follows: saltpetre, tin in pigs, tin plates, lead, old pewter, brass, iron and brass wire, copper in plates, wool, cotton, dyeing woods and dyeing drugs, raw hides, beaver, and all other furs, and deer skins.

Duty on hemp and cotton imported after the 1st Dec. 1790. Sec. 2.

And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That from and after the first day of December, which shall be in the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety, there shall be laid a duty on every one hundred and twelve pounds, weight of hemp imported as aforesaid, of sixty cents; and on cotton per pound, three cents,
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On every quintal of dried fish, five cents.
On every barrel of pickled fish, five cents.
On every barrel of salted provision, five cents.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That a discount of ten per cent. on all the duties imposed by this act, shall be allowed on such goods, wares and merchandises, as shall be imported in vessels built in the United States, and which shall be wholly the property of a citizen or citizens thereof, or in vessels built in foreign countries, and on the sixteenth day of May last, wholly the property of a citizen or citizens of the United States, and so continuing until the time of importation.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Continuation of new fiscal laws, 1st Congress Reply with quote

July 20, 1789.
                              
"An Act imposing Duties on Tonnage."

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

That the following duties shall be, and are hereby imposed on all ships or vessels entered in the United States, that is to say:

On all ships or vessels built within the said States or belonging to citizens Six cents per ton.
On vessels hereafter built in the U.S., belonging to foreigners, 30 cts. per ton.
On all others, 50 cts. per ton.
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On all ships or vessels hereafter built in the United States, belonging wholly, or in part, to subjects of foreign powers, at the rate of thirty cents per ton.
On all other ships or vessels, at the rate of fifty cents per ton.

Sec. 2. Provided always, and be it enacted, Vessels built in the U.S., in the coasting trade, to pay tonnage but once a year. That no ship or vessel built within the aforesaid States, and belonging to a citizen or citizens thereof, shall, whilst employed in the coasting trade, or in the fisheries, pay tonnage more than once in any year.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, 50 cts. a ton on foreign vessels engaged in the coasting trade. That every ship or vessel employed in the transportation of any of the produce or manufactures of the United States, coastwise within the said States, except such ship or vessel be built within the said States, and belong to a citizen or citizens thereof, shall, on each entry, pay fifty cents per ton.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted,Act to commence August 15,
1789. That this act shall commence and be in force from and after the fifteenth day of August next.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: And the first appropriations bill Reply with quote

Sept. 29, 1789.
"An Act making Appropriations for the Service of the present year."

Specific appropriations of money for expenses of civil list and war department;

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That there be appropriated for the service of the present year, to be paid out of the monies which arise, either from the requisitions heretofore made upon the several states, or from the duties on impost and tonnage, the following sums, viz.
A sum not exceeding two hundred and sixteen thousand dollars for defraying the expenses of the civil list, under the late and present government;
a sum not exceeding one hundred and thirty-seven thousand dollars for defraying the expenses of the department of war;
a sum not exceeding one hundred and ninety thousand dollars for discharging the warrants issued by the late board of treasury, and remaining unsatisfied;
and a sum not exceeding ninety-six thousand dollars for paying the pensions to invalids.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rally for Rush



By JEFFREY LORD on 3.5.12 @ 6:10AM

Carbonite CEO tied to MoveOn.org: time for conservatives to fight blacklisting?

So. Did you hear about Carbonite and Rush Limbaugh?
No, you didn't. Not the way you will in a minute. But first?
It's time to turn the tables.
It's time to stand up to the bullies.
It's time to Rally for Rush.
Rush Limbaugh has discussed at length -- at length -- what Sandra Fluke and her statist cronies are up to. Yes, he used the words "slut" and "prostitute" -- using the ludicrous to make his point. Ms. Fluke, in one of the most pathetic, shamelessly whining stories in recent memory, demands to be paid for her sex life because it costs $3,000 for three years of birth control while she's at law school. She demands that a Catholic university violate its fundamental right to religious liberty so she can have others pay for her sex life. So Rush asked the farcical obvious about somebody who demands that someone else pay her for her apparent, self-admitted prolific sex life. He spent two solid days relating her greed for other people's money and a lack of personal responsibility to the oldest of principles.
Right on cue, the blacklisting crowd came out of their Stalinist caves. Having driven Lou Dobbs from CNN, cut off Beck's windpipe at Fox, severed Pat Buchanan from MSNBC, thus emboldened they have now set their sights on Rush.

Lots more at:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/03/05/rally-for-rush/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rush Limbaugh Isn’t the Only Media Misogynist



Rush Limbaugh apologized on Saturday for calling a Georgetown Law student a slut for testifying about contraception and starting a firestorm of outrage. Kirsten Powers says the liberals who led the charge need to start holding their own side accountable.



Did you know there is a war on women?

Yes, it’s true. Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Matt Taibbi, and Ed Schultz have been waging it for years with their misogynist outbursts. There have been boycotts by people on the left who are outraged that these guys still have jobs. Oh, wait. Sorry, that never happened.

Boycotts are reserved for people on the right like Rush Limbaugh, who finally apologized Saturday for calling a 30-year-old Georgetown Law student, Sandra Fluke, a “slut” after she testified before congress about contraception. Limbaugh’s apology was likely extracted to stop the departure of any more advertisers, who were rightly under pressure from liberal groups outraged by the comments.

 
Let it be shouted from the rooftops that Rush Limbaugh should not have called Ms. Fluke a slut or, as he added later, a “prostitute” who should post her sex tapes. It’s unlikely that his apology will assuage the people on a warpath for his scalp, and after all, why should it? He spent days attacking a woman as a slut and prostitute and refused to relent. Now because he doesn’t want to lose advertisers, he apologizes. What’s in order is something more like groveling—and of course a phone call to Ms. Fluke—if you ask me.

But if Limbaugh’s actions demand a boycott—and they do—then what about the army of swine on the left?

During the 2008 election Ed Schultz said on his radio show that Sarah Palin set off a “bimbo alert.”  He called Laura Ingraham a “right-wing slut.” (He later apologized.) He once even took to his blog to call yours truly a “bimbo” for the offense of quoting him accurately in a New York Post column.

Keith Olbermann has said that conservative commentator S.E. Cupp should have been aborted by her parents, apparently because he finds her having opinions offensive. He called Michelle Malkin a “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick.” He found it newsworthy to discuss Carrie Prejean’s breasts on his MSNBC show. His solution for dealing with Hillary Clinton, who he thought should drop out of the presidential race, was to find “somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.”  Olbermann now works for über-leftist and former Democratic vice president Al Gore at Current TV.

The grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher.
Left-wing darling Matt Taibbi wrote  on his blog in 2009, “When I read [Malkin’s] stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth.” In a Rolling Stone article about Secretary of State Clinton, he referred to her “flabby arms.”  When feminist writer Erica Jong criticized him for it, he responded by referring to Jong as an “800-year old sex novelist.” (Jong is almost 70, which apparently makes her an irrelevant human being.) In Taibbi’s profile of Congresswoman and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann he labeled her “batshit crazy.” (Oh, those “crazy” women with their hormones and all.)

Chris Matthews’s sickening misogyny was made famous in 2008, when he obsessively tore down Hillary Clinton for standing between Barack Obama and the presidency, something that Matthews could not abide. Over the years he has referred to the former first lady, senator and presidential candidate and current secretary of state as a “she-devil,” “Nurse Ratched,” and “Madame Defarge.” Matthews has also called Clinton “witchy,” “anti-male,” and “uppity” and once claimed she won her Senate seat only because her “husband messed around.”  He asked a guest if “being surrounded by women” makes “a case for commander in chief—or does it make a case against it?” At some point Matthews was shamed into sort of half apologizing to Clinton, but then just picked up again with his sexist ramblings.

Matthews has wondered aloud whether Sarah Palin is even “capable of thinking” and has called Bachmann a “balloon head”  and said she was “lucky we still don’t have literacy tests out there.” Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene, who is the former president of the Women’s Media Center, told  Fox News’ Megyn Kelly in 2011 that Matthews
“is a bully, and his favorite target is women.” So why does he still have a show? What if his favorite target was Jews? Or African-Americans?

But the grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher—who also happens to be a favorite of liberals—who has given $1 million to President Obama’s super PAC. Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word  in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said  of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator . Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job. Maher said of a woman who was harassed while breast-feeding at an Applebee’s, “Don't show me your tits!” as though a woman feeding her child is trying to flash Maher. (Here’s a way to solve his problem: don’t stare at a strangers’ breasts). Then, his coup de grâce: “And by the way, there is a place where breasts and food do go together. It’s called Hooters!”

Liberals—you know, the people who say they “fight for women”—comprise Maher’s audience, and a parade of high-profile liberals make up his guest list. Yet have any of them confronted him? Nope. That was left to Ann Coulter, who actually called Maher a misogynist to his face , an opportunity that feminist icon Gloria Steinem failed to take when she appeared on his show in 2011.

This is not to suggest that liberals—or feminists—never complain about misogyny. Many feminist blogs now document attacks on women on the left and the right, including Jezebel, Shakesville, and the Women’s Media Center (which was cofounded by Steinem). But when it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.

After all, if Limbaugh’s outburst is part of the “war on women,” then what is the routine misogyny of liberal media men?

It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/arti...eral-men-need-to-follow-suit.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poor tsiya...he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't...(start a new thread)

i would have started a new thread on this one tsiya....or sandwiched it in to the fox news thread, which does double duty as our "bias in the media" thread.

having said that, i'm amazed that everyone got balled up over this...rush has been saying outrageous things ever since they put a microphone in front of his mouth....and i'm equally amazed that this fluke person received a call from the president...but laura ingraham (previous recepient of the talkshow slut award) didn't.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this has what to do with the Implementation of the Constitution?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about how the first amendment only applies to liberals.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rush Limbaugh stupid remark was with out a doubt one of the worst possible comment he could have made about the woman.  

Did he have the right to make it?  Certainly.  Was it a first amendment issue? Nope.  No one has said he should have been censored.  Most, including myself, think it was a comment (in the Limbaugh style) designed to spark outrage.  It did.  To date 7 Sponsors have left his show.  

It was stupid, rude and out of order.  

But I would defend his right to make the comment.   I would also defend those that have decided to quit sponsoring the show.  

He did more to screw the GOP with that comment than any body else.  

What an Ass hole!


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