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scrutney

it's the end of an era. (it really is)
and not just the 'express your opinion for free' era.
to a large extent, it's the end of the "express your opinions without fear of reprisals" era.

i don't trust government, any government.
maybe i've read too many of ed slavin's blog posts, but i can't shake the feeling that our local government (city and county) is comprised of just the sort of people who would love nothing more than to...exact a little bit of retribution on the author of a strongly worded letter.

obviously not hit squads or drone attacks. they'll leave that to the federales.
but i'll leave it for your imagination to expand on, what to me is obvious...with the gentle reminder that the city commission did redraw the boundaries of our fair metropolis around everyone's favorite activist, to include him out.
bieramar

The times they are a changin' - and I'm changing too, trying to do good and avoid evil - the "bottom line" of human life.
scrutney

he's so earnest...he's so humble.
jeez, ya gotta love him:

the conscience of st. augustine wrote:
"I wear the Anonymice' scorn as a badge of honor."


we anonymice don't really think about him all that much...but when we do, we have to admit that since he's lost weight, he wears our scorn a lot better then he used to.

every circus needs a clown.
scrutney

escudo1565 wrote:

Be alert, Comment-ers:  Very few days left to vent your spleens.

i've got one last thing to say over there and i'll save it for a couple of days before the pay wall cements the record's doom. i wish them well but i don't think this is gonna work.

i can't help but think that the editor of historic city news has been spending the past couple of weeks washing his hands in the air and braying with demonic laughter...the record is delivering up a brand new group of readers to his site, all wrapped with a bow.
mike

escudo1565 wrote:
[del]


You didn't have to delete your remarks, I already read them. Laughing
mike

scrutney wrote:
i can't help but think that the editor of historic city news has been spending the past couple of weeks washing his hands in the air and braying with demonic laughter...the record is delivering up a brand new group of readers to his site, all wrapped with a bow.

You read my mind  Wink
http://historiccity.com/2013/stau...ment-great-for-our-business-40612
Nigel

That other place that shall not be named

My first post on this board.  A reject banished from that other place shall not be named.   Pay walls and forcing people to publish personal info.

Because they have commentators that were uncontrollable, derogatory and threatening.

An incredible show of iron clad reasoning.......
scrutney

Re: That other place that shall not be named

Nigel wrote:
My first post on this board.  A reject banished from that other place shall not be named.   Pay walls and forcing people to publish personal info.

Because they have commentators that were uncontrollable, derogatory and threatening.

An incredible show of iron clad reasoning.......


it wasn't their smartest move, that's for sure.
i am tempted to order up the paper under the name of bif richards and use a visa gift card from target to pay for it.

i'm sure that there are ways around giving up your real identity.

but...why bother?
the paper isn't that good.
not $6.99 a month good.
Nigel

Re: That other place that shall not be named

escudo1565 wrote:
Nigel wrote:
My first post on this board.  A reject banished from that other place shall not be named.   Pay walls and forcing people to publish personal info.

Because they have commentators that were uncontrollable, derogatory and threatening.

An incredible show of iron clad reasoning.......


Sorry, I don't understand that.  Please elaborate.


Well in theory they wanted to use real names to discourage shall we say disgruntled or bat guano crazy people from posting disturbing comments on their site.  

So their solution is make the sane people post their real names so the bat guano crazy readers or a commentators wingnut boss will know who they are.  It really makes perfect sense.

It's like in a bar.  You have a boisterous out of control drunk threatening your patrons.  Logically you would ask all the patrons to give the belligerent drunk their name, phonenumber and address then ask them to go out into the parking lot with him alone.
Nigel

Re: That other place that shall not be named

scrutney wrote:
Nigel wrote:
My first post on this board.  A reject banished from that other place shall not be named.   Pay walls and forcing people to publish personal info.

Because they have commentators that were uncontrollable, derogatory and threatening.

An incredible show of iron clad reasoning.......


it wasn't their smartest move, that's for sure.
i am tempted to order up the paper under the name of bif richards and use a visa gift card from target to pay for it.

i'm sure that there are ways around giving up your real identity.

but...why bother?
the paper isn't that good.
not $6.99 a month good.


Great idea, wonder if I can get a prepaid VISA under Harry Peratestes.   Yeah $6.99 is a little steep  I could see $3.99 for digital only.     [/i]
scrutney

escudo1565 wrote:


Do you think Elmera Fudd is too obvious?   Shocked


howzabout:

i. reid tripe?
Nigel

Hmm,.........Anonymous still lives

Looks like they still haven't implemented "real names".  I emailed and they replied with basically,  we're still thinking about it.

Their pay wall is funny. Took me 20 minutes of light head scratching to circumvent it.   Too funny......

Laughing
bieramar

I clicked my bookmarked link and got a popup that I've used my three freebies for the month.  An hour later I scanned the home page, obits, and local news.
tsiya

The obits is about all I read. Very Happy
Dunrobin

I tossed them a buck, just to see what they do really. They have a .99 cent 3 month tryout kind of thing. *shrugs*
bieramar

The anonymous commenting continues, e.g. on the Tim Deagan DUI story, and the obits are still readable. I get the popup about having reached my limit of articles, but just continue past it - so far not blocked.
sponger 2

Anonomice

I checked out the wrapper today and I don't see REAL names for every user, even when I checked the profile. What gives, other than money from us if we read more than 5 pages a month?
Nigel

Coming to Theatre Near You

I emailed the publisher about real names.  Evidently they had some "glitches" with the real name roll out.  She said they would implementing it as as the bugs were worked out.  

My guess is that they are still evaluating reader rebellion, but it could a healthcare.gov type problem.  

If you want to read beyond their pay wall Google   "press+ bypass"
tsiya

escudo1565 wrote:
"It" happened, right on sked.  Real names of majority of posters (a retro-active thing, too) appeared today as of 8:30-ish a.m.

If you want to know who, say, Occupy Marine is, then click on his real name, which brings you to his profile and his former user name.

Y'know that avatar of Ann Coulter with the crazy eyes PhotoShopped in?  You'll never guess...


You actually paid them? Very Happy
Nigel

Unethical and Wrong!

Retroactively using user real names is unethical to say the least.  Possibly even irresponsible.

I emailed the publisher and asked her specifically about it.  She clearly and directly said it would not be retroactive.

Either she is clueless about her own Internet publishing system or she is a liar. Or both.
Nigel

The Publisher

Actually I asked her directly if the Real names conversion would be retroactive when it took place and she plainly and directly said no it would not be.  

So I am back to my two choices......
Nigel

Symantecs

I meant, would the real name policy be retroactive to all existing posts on their web site. Which it turned out being, despite what Ms Fogel told me in her email.

No, opinionpub.com is still there.  Been busy lately, need to add some more current topics.

I think doing it retroactively was wrong. Going forward for new posts, no harm no foul, but retroactively without consent or notification,..... completely wrong and unethical
Nigel

Oh I'm not pissed. That was a minor rant.  My avatar just looks pissed.

It is one of my pet concerns. Billion dollar interests can donate millions in anonymous funds to PACs, but newspapers demand reader's personal information be released to post a comment on their site? Do it retroactively without warning? No even complains?  Should we all sing now "ahhhh,,ahhh comfortably numb"

I mean if we are are going to shaft the middle class and people who actually work a living, at least let them complain about anonymously.  

Seaworld and Disney collecting biometric data and storing it?  Facebook et al gathering data for the sale to the highest bidder.

Hmmmm....... Chancellor Sutler would be enthused.
tsiya

I already had you spotted! Very Happy  Very Happy
Nigel

Thats too funny

The same person over at the Wreckord who was "rara go team" lets use "real names" won't it be great.  

Is now singing the tragedy of their loss of anonymity.  My chuckle for today.  Razz

Their "real name" policy seems to have certainly worked.  A virtual banquet of lively and interesting discussions on popular topics of the day. Reminds me of well,............Bodie, California!

Yep, a prime example of how to wreck a struggling local newspaper in three easy steps.  

First put an accountant in charge.........
scrutney

there's a reason that this thread doesn't make any god damn sense and reads like a trip through the watergate white house tape transcripts.

here's the reader's digest version.
a poster (and one who should know better, as he's run his own message board...one that really had only one rule...no outing of another poster), has outed another poster on this humble board.

now the victim of the outing wants all of their posts removed.
i'm cool with that...it might take a while but i will comply.

outing another poster (exposing their identity) is a no no.

it goes hand in hand with the one rule of this board...that we ask you to behave in a relatively civil manner.

exposing a poster who wishes to remain anonymous is at best, a breach of on line etiquette and at worst (in the less than perfect world we live in) a dangerous thing to do.

it is in short, bullshit.

i can't in good conscience ban someone for breaking a rule that no one knew existed (even though it doesn't take a genius to figure out that that behavior falls very short of on line civility)...ex post facto prosecution ain't my style.

the last thing in the world that i want is to be a heavy handed moderator, but i will cheerfully belly up to the bar, break out the pipe wrench and start swinging if this kind of shit happens again.

nuff said.
mike

If you are say I "outed" anyone, go back and re-read what I posted.

I posted a question -- addressed to a person who is posting on The Record under their real name.

I asked the question and a poster on this forum, using an assumed name, picked up my question and decided to answer it under her fake username.

Apparently her stripes haven't changed much over the past 10 years or so.  I have never used any derogatory language on this forum, nor have I lurked here to cause anyone any trouble.  But then, I also sign my real life name to my comments.  

This is not the first time she has packed up her paper dollies and deleted all of her posts.  Just because she's done it under more usernames than the one who can not be named, is no surprise to me.  Does it really surprise you?

In the future I'm thinking of becoming Rip Flatus -- especially in light of the fact that everyone else on this forum, at one time or another, has been mike.  OOPS! I "outed" myself.
scrutney

mike wrote:
If you are say I "outed" anyone, go back and re-read what I posted.


i ditched your post, mike...i can't re-read it.
and as per the poster's request...all of their comments have been removed as well.
if there's one thing i hate worse than on line research...it's pruning. (as my yard and my neighbors will attest.)

it's over.
let's move on.
bieramar

I just gotta chuckle every time you post "I post under my real name."  It's just funny, that's all - no offense intended - and reminds me that I had to explain to FSUWriter once upon a time.
Nigel

It seems......

They even have hall monitors now.

"Yet Another Anonymous Poster

Nothing against you, St Aug Gal, but I am wondering why you are allowed to be anonymous whereas the rest of us are not.

Mods? Can we fix this one, too, so that the new policy applies equally to all? "

Yet another chuckle for the day,.........

Oh the irony........
Nigel

@scrutney

Speaking of irony, the mix of your avatar and the flash of authoritarianism is a interesting paradox.

Well played by the way. Nice job!
mike

Re: It seems......

Nigel wrote:
They even have hall monitors now.
"Yet Another Anonymous Poster
Nothing against you, St Aug Gal, but I am wondering why you are allowed to be anonymous whereas the rest of us are not.
Mods? Can we fix this one, too, so that the new policy applies equally to all? "


Jesus Christ.  How passive-aggressive can one woman get?  She demands anonymity and deletion of all her posts on this forum, then skedaddles over there and presumes to tell The Record that, GOD FORBID, St Aug Gal's real name isn't St Aug Gal.  It must get awfully crowded in that pint-sized little noggin of hers.
scrutney

Re: @scrutney

Nigel wrote:


Well played by the way. Nice job!


thanx nigel...it took a second reading to realize that you were talking to me.
scrutney

mike wrote:


In the future I'm thinking of becoming Rip Flatus --


i'm seriously thinking  of subscribing to the st. augustine record under that very name...
i wonder whether our stalwart purveyors of local news can forgo the allure of the princely sum of $6.99 a month, from a "person" who is obviously a figment of someones warped imagination.

anne nonymous?
anne cognito?
bo gus chatterbox?
i. reid tripe?
mike

Won't work.  If you want to subscribe to the newspaper, you have to provide two forms of state-issued photo identification, have a credit score over 750, and submit a cheek swab, and fingerprints.  It seems that they discovered that NSA and CIA will each pay them $2.00 per subscriber to upload the genetic information to CODIS and the prints to AFIS.
scrutney

mike wrote:
Won't work.  If you want to subscribe to the newspaper, you have to provide two forms of state-issued photo identification, have a credit score over 750, and submit a cheek swab, and fingerprints.  It seems that they discovered that NSA and CIA will each pay them $2.00 per subscriber to upload the genetic information to CODIS and the prints to AFIS.


thank god there's no cavity search.
oh well...the best laid plans of anonymice and men....
Nigel

Strangers in an even Stranger land

Well, today I was doing some reading and decided to read the Times Union web site for a change.  I found it fascinating that they still use screen names rather than "real names" like the Record.  One would think they would have rolled it out in Times Union at the same time along with the pay wall.

Their whole pay wall thing is funny considering how easily it is defeated.  I guess Morris communications should have asked around a little better about the "Press Plus" pay wall system.  It's the pay wall made of jello........

Looks like the Record's unofficial hall monitor Ms Biz E Bodie has the comments sections pretty much to herself.

I wonder if the "real names" policies sweeping the nation will help with the seemingly increasing political polarity and extremism or will make it worse by further "bubblizing" media readership.

I would love to get a look at the Records web site traffic stats since their new Orwellian policy was implemented.  Even the content seems more lackluster now,  its like eating plain vanilla yogurt after having only eaten plain vanilla yogurt for a year.

My guess is the Record is in in last months maybe a year. It has become an accountant turned publisher's dream, cost effective, easy to produce, and bland and tasteless as wet cardboard.
mike

Re: Strangers in an even Stranger land

Nigel wrote:
Looks like the Record's unofficial hall monitor Ms Biz E Bodie has the comments sections pretty much to herself.

She must really appreciate herself.


Nigel wrote:
I would love to get a look at the Records web site traffic stats since their new Orwellian policy was implemented.  Even the content seems more lackluster now

Yes, but with the pay wall, nobody notices.
Nigel

The Flailing

Wow Monday morning.  Not one single comment on any article or editorial.  Only two for an entire weekend.

The new publisher must be so proud.

Hopefully it's not an indication of the overall effect on readership. If so we may lose the Record in short order.  I don't like their format nor their new policies and I definitely don't like their lying publisher, but St. Augustine needs it's own newspaper.

Hopefully Morris is paying attention and replaces her before she completely decimates the Record's readership. If she hasn't already...........
bieramar

Time for The Traveller (early 1970s) - the original Sound Off media purveyor in St. Augustine - to rise from the ashes?
mike

Re: The Flailing

Nigel wrote:
Wow Monday morning.  Not one single comment on any article or editorial.  Only two for an entire weekend.


It's three o'clock in the afternoon.

With all the bragging on the 'new deal" they have gotten three reader comments ---

from one reader ---

and she can't even contribute her own material ---

bewareaclara wrote:
Now I am eager to count the number of thumbs down I receive. I wear them and your scorn "as badges of honor." (Tip of the hat to Mr. E. Slavin.)


She seems to have taken to The Record like a duck to an oil spill.
scrutney

i was bored lat night so i checked out the st augustine record.
and as my page was loading, in the upper right hand corner, my user id "scrutney" came up.

which i thought was strange because i was under the impression that all nicks and nom de plumes used on the record had been banished to the dustbin of cyberia.

so i clicked on the little scrutney icon and my 5 previous comments came up...but it seems that "scrutney" didn't make them.

they are now ascribed to some guy named bif richards.
the bif richards name is attached to my email account.
needless to say, it's not my real name, but the record doesn't know that.

and had my real name been on the account, i'd have been outed, my cover blown, my scrupulously hidden online identity exposed to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

which pisses me off a little bit.
so i logged on to my other record account.
(it's always handy to have a couple lying around, especially if you want to start an on line argument with yourself)
that entity still lives as well and he's been outed too. and the name attached to the supporting email account is now prominently displayed on all of "his" comments.(and that name is a bit of a play on words and mildly offensive, go figure)

i wonder if we can sue?


Razz
Nigel

The lying liars.....

I wrote the new publisher an email asking her directly if the real name schema would be retroactive. She resolutely said no and assured me that would not be the case.  That the "system" just couldn't do that.

So, the record's new publisher is either a completely clueless dolt about how their online publication works or she is just another corporate liar or both.

I was actually very pissed.  Retroactively implementing that policy was grossly irresponsible and unethical.  

I read with absolute hilarity a column groaning about the "lack of participation", me thinks that lack may be manifesting in lost readership as well.  Sadly I foresee the Record is on borrowed time and life support at this point.

Overall, their new paradigm has turned their publication into a bowl of stale cold oatmeal.  Of course, putting a CFO in charge is rarely a good idea. I am sure her new plan looked great on her spreadsheet.  Sadly she seems to be much more interested in the view of her own colon than actual journalism.

PS Use Google Chrome with an "Incognito window" It's good for 5 stories, then close and open another one, read as much as you want.
tsiya

I can read the obits with no hassle!
scrutney

nigel wrote:
PS Use Google Chrome with an "Incognito window" It's good for 5 stories, then close and open another one, read as much as you want.


i don't think i could read 5 stories a day on the record, before the gag reflex kicked in.

whatever...i'm busted.

scrutney and boy howdy have been ratted out by the record as bif richards and rip flatus respectively.

maybe it's the record's way of dipping a delicate toe into the seething torrent of investigative journalism.

tomorrows headline?:
"ripping the lid off anonymous commentary"
mike

Biff Richards is a dick, but I like Rip Flatus, he's a standup kind of guy.
scrutney

mike wrote:
...but I like Rip Flatus, he's a standup kind of guy.



and a merry christmas to you too, mike.

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