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M&M Market Confiscated by City

Whether or not one agrees with the City's decision at Monday's Commission meeting to take this property in Lincolnville, I don't believe one can argue that it is now another of several properties that is NO LONGER ON THE TAX ROLLS.

HOW is that justified?

How many other properties are off the tax rolls due to the City taking them?  What is being done with those properties?  How many are standing vacant?

City Mgr. John Regan mentioned "doing something historic" with the building.  I hope Mr. Regan will read the Historic Structures Report (William R. Adams et al., 1980), which includes this property at the corner of ML King and Bridge Street as a contributing property.  Dept. of P&B might have a photocopy.

There is a connection between this remodeled structure and President Thomas Jefferson.  The DAR (the Jefferson Chapter) has info.

These properties need to be added to the tax rolls ASAP.
bieramar

I agree 110%!!!  

Plus many other City-owned properties.

I don't recall whether you were participating at the time, but some years back we had an extensive discussion not only about city-owned truly "historic" properties but also about general use properties - many of which have been leased/rented in sweetheart deals for decades.

I've had friends living in unbelievably inexpensive apartments for years - and have even been solicitated to rent a couple (with parking!) downtown as a "favor" for my lobbying efforts in years past.

BTW there is another thread on this in the Local Politics Forum:
http://bumrejects.myfreeforum.org/about49.html
puc reducks

No, I don't recall that thread.  Suppose it's lost forever?

Thanks for the link.  Will read.


(Ooops.   Embarassed   Didn't see Gene's post on same subject!)
Phred

Oh I don't know, this thread is a little different than the other M&M one.  Local businesses not on the tax rolls is a good subject.
bieramar

Phred wrote:
Oh I don't know, this thread is a little different than the other M&M one.  Local businesses not on the tax rolls is a good subject.


But obtaining the data is difficult, and the whole mishmash of taxes is so damn confusing!

For example Trinity Episcopal Church (only an example - I'm not anti-High Church) owns most of that block of storefronts on King Street east of the church itself.  As do many other churches own non-religious income-producing properties.

Flagler College owns retail income-producing property and non-educational property.  As do other private schools.

The City of St. Augustine owns non-government office properties as well as city government spaces, and there are state and federal owned properties.

Specifically determined privately owned property is exempt from ad valorem taxes for historic preservation reasons.

Add them all together in an "owned" category and the metric is an amazingly high percentage of St. Augustine's land mass occupied by 13,000 souls apparently not paying ad valorem taxes, i.e. not on the tax rolls.  BUT that percentage figure of government, non-profit and historic preservation "owned" does NOT mean that all those properties ARE NOT taxed. (Nor include how many occupying businesses are paying sales taxes, fees, licenses, etc.)  

You'd think that either the Property Assessor's Office website and/or the Tax Assessor's Office website would have a clear and concise listing (or at least a percentage and total value) of what properties ARE, and ARE NOT, responsible to pay property ad valorem taxes.  If they do, I can't find them (another reason for my wanting a County charter government, where those officials would be responsible to the citizen voters, instead of to Tallahassee).  

As to the three Cities (St. Augustine, St. Augustine Beach, Hastings) where are the lists of owned properties, and to whom they are rented for how much?  Saying something is public record doesn't do much if the public can't figure out how to access the records.

Even if/when those could be sorted out, there is the reality that ad valorem taxes/General Fund are only a part of the taxes residents and property owners and renters pay.

The second search result (first sublink) at the following is a good overview of City of St. Augustine taxing schemes.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=e...stine%22+florida+ad+valorem+taxes
puc reducks

It's far easier to check historical (and early) deeds and probate records in SJC than it is to find current data on taxes and so forth.

Kinds makes one wonder.  In this age of technology, such lists as Bieramar mentions should be easily generated and accessed.

Rolling Eyes
puc reducks

Some quick info re the history of the structure at 102 Bridge Street:

http://staugustine.com/news/local...ing-once-owned-jefferson-relative

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