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St. Augustine Internet War - Gold, Slavin and Shoar

Blog Wars - The Sad State of New Media in the Nation's Oldest City

Plenty of battles have taken place in the nation's oldest city, and a new one has erupted. This time its not on the streets but on the Internet.

Filling a void

St. Augustine is served by one major daily paper, The St. Augustine Record. On any given day, pull up the Record's website and look at any story, it won't be long before you come across comments attacking the papers reporting. It not a problem unique to The Record, all newspapers have critics and fans - but in the nation's oldest city - the critics are often more outspoken than the fans.

Feeling underserved by the citys' only major source of news, many have taken to the internet to present their own version of the news in the form of blogs.

Blogging 101

Merriam-Webster defines a blog as "a website that contains an online personal journal with reflections, comments, and often hyperlinks provided by the writer; also: the contents of such a site."¯

Two of the more prominent bloggers that have emerged in St. Augustine are Michael Gold and Ed Slavin.

Both frequently take very different sides on the issues and both are frequently at war with each other on the internet.

Historic City News

Gold is perhaps best known for the website Historic City News. Most of the site's content consists of press releases and Gold's opinions.
Gold, communications director for the local Republican Party, likes to present himself as a journalist. Many of his stories begin, "local reporters with Historic City news:". But he makes little effort to avoid conflicts of interest and apparently even less effort to be sure what he's publishing is the truth.

Historic City New's own terms of service make clear the information there may not be reliable: "HistoricCity.com does not verify, endorse, or take responsibility for the accuracy, currency, completeness or quality of the content contained in this site," the terms state. "The information contained in this website is taken from sources deemed reliable; the accuracy and completeness of which Historic City News does not control and can not guarantee."¯

The Society of Professional Journalists' Code of Ethics, which is embraced by thousands of journalists worldwide, suggests a little different approach to reporting the news:
"Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error,"¯ the code begins. "Deliberate distortion is never permissible."¯

Ed Slavin

Ed Slavin, a community activist in St. Augustine is a frequent critic of Gold and is the target of criticism himself.
Slavin runs his own blog, cleanupcityofstaugustine.blogspot.com

On his website, Slavin has accused Gold of operating shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com - sites which he calls "hate sites."  He has also published photos of Gold overlaid with an image of men in white hoods - presumably KKK members.

Slavin has also accused St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar of helping facilitate "hate sites,"¯ and in a series of scores of emails beginning last fall he demanded Shoar ask Gold to remove content critical of a local attorney from his sites. In some of those emails Shoar indicated he would see what he could do.

Public vs. Private

The Society of Professional Journalists urges reporters to "Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention,"¯ the code states.
"Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone's privacy."¯

The line between public and private is often blurry, but Michael Gold seems to apply a different standard to himself and the people he writes about.
"I'm not a public figure,"¯ said Gold. "Im not surrendering my private [business.] -¯
"I don't want you publishing personal details of my life."

But Gold, a former candidate for the St. Augustine City Commission and the current communications chairman of the Republican Club of Greater St. Augustine, has not hesitated to attack others who have a greater right to privacy than he does.

In a Jan. 12 Historic City story, Gold reported not on the St. Augustine City Commission meeting, but on a private citizen who spoke during the public comment segment of the meeting.
Maureen Ortagus, a local activist, had questioned the financial credibility of Donald Wallis, chairman of the First America foundation.
Gold's story focused on Ortagus. In a total non-sequiter, he published that she had previously filed for bankruptcy.

Kelly McBride, senior faculty for ethics, reporting and writing at the Poynter Institute said Gold has a right to publish whatever he wants but there could be consequences.
"Free speech allows him to say whatever he wants to say, but he is civilly liable for everything he publishes," McBride said.
You can libel private citizens even if what you say is true, she said.

Gold was defeated in his run for the St. Augustine City Commission by Bill Leary. The seat was non-partisian but at a Republican Club of Greater St. Augustine meeting before the election, Gold emphasized that he was a Republican.
He used HistoricCity.com to host campaign advertisements for himself and others, and at one point wrote an "editorial"¯ critical of his opponent on the site.

McBride said Gold can do whatever he wants with his website, and while it may not be illegal, it was unethical.
"He's not embracing mainstream industry standards."¯
Since his defeat, Gold no longer has campaign ads of himself on his site. Instead the website is sponsored by The St. Augustine Tea Party.

Shameful People and Plaza Bums

Gold denied running two other sites - shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com - but said that his company, Historic City Companies, hosts those sites. He has no idea who runs either of them, he said.

Shamefulpeople.com is registered through a proxy service, in order to grant anonymity to the owner. A news feed from HistoricCity.com is prominently featured at the bottom of each page at Shamefulpeople.com

The site is a place for attacking the private lives of people that speak during public comment.

In a 2009 someone posted a story attacking local attorney Jamin Rubenstein after he spoke at a City of St. Augustine meeting in favor of Ed Slavin's project staugustgreen.com
Instead of talking about the project or the meeting, the author of the post focused entirely on Rubenstein's previous arrest for a DUI.

Enter the Sheriff

Gold worked on St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar's campaign team when he ran for office in 2004.
Shoar told the Underground Gold was just one of hundreds of volunteers that helped him on his campaign.
"I met Michael a month before I ran for office,"¯ said Shoar. "I don't know Mike that well."

Shoar said he doesn't know who owns shamefulpeople.com or plazabums.com and said he's never read them.

But Slavin is unconvinced.

In a lengthy March 28 e-mail to government officials and members of the media, Slavin accused the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office of " a significant encouragement of local hate websites  operated by Michael Gold."

Slavin's email barrage - which included several repeated public records requests - continued until March 30, when less than an hour after sending another email to the Sheriff, Slavin was arrested.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. Chuck Mulligan said the Sheriff's Office was conducting an investigation with regard to cyber stalking when investigtors came upon an active warrant for Slavin.

Citing an open investigation, Mulligan refused to say whether the Sheriff was the victim of the cyber stalking or to provided more details about the investigation.
"We were looking into a preliminary cyber stalking case which led us to the warrant,"¯ said Mulligan. "We activated the warrant - it was a national pick up warrant - and the marshall service served the warrant."¯

Mulligan said Slavin was held at the St. Johns County jail in a holding cell and during that time a Supreme Court justice from Tennessee - where the warrant allegedly originated - contacted St. Johns County.
"She wanted to hold a special session and asked that he be released,"¯ Mulligan told The Underground in April.

Mulligan went on to say the justice was planning on having a special session of the court to discuss Slavin's arrest and possible extradition.

According to David Stewart, Slavin's attorney, Tennessee had no warrant of any kind that was outstanding for Slavin.

Slavin has a history with the state - he practiced law in Tennessee until he was disbarred in 2007.
According to a June 2007 issue of Washington Lawyer The Supreme Court of Tennessee disbarred Slavin for engaging in misrepresentation and deceit to the courts and his clients; failing to preserve client property; charging excessive fees; violating court orders; demonstrating incompetence and lack of diligence; and abusing the legal process by habitually violating the Tennessee rules of professional conduct with regard to harassment and intimidation of officers of the court and opposing counsel and the filing of abusive, insulting, untrue, and unprofessional statements regarding judges, litigants, and opposing counsel."¯
"Its chilling and out of the ordinary that they would do this to him,"¯ Stewart said, of the arrest in St. Augustine.

Laura Click, public information officer for the Tennessee Supreme Court, said none of what was told to The St. Augustine Underground about Slavin was true.
"The supreme court did not issue a warrant,"¯ she said. "If there was one [for Slavin] it wasn't from us."¯

Click said the Supreme Court has not taken any action and at this time had no plans to regarding Slavin.

Sheriff's Office General Counsel Matthew Cline disputed Click's account and said the Sheriff's Office had seen the warrant. Deputy Chief U.S. Marshall Pete Cajigal said the Marshall Service performed its "due diligence"¯ before arresting Slavin at the Sheriff's Office's request, but that the Marshalls had simply delivered Slavin to county custody at the Sheriff's Office's request.

It seems doubtful Slavin will ever have his day in court, and his emails to the Sheriff have resumed, as have Gold's online attacks on Slavin.

So the war continues!

---
By Shane Griffis
mail@staugustineunderground.net
James Alexander Bonus, Adam Hunt and Sara Kaufman contributed to this report.
---
Source:
http://staugustineunderground.net...-in-the-nations-oldest-city/1908/

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Too often -- in my experience with sheriffs, community activists, politicians, members of the media, and the articles they publish -- personal animosities and friendships determine whose "side" one aligns with; with minimal if any attention paid to the truth of statements and allegations.  

"Ad hominems" against the messengers is always an easy - and often entertaining - game to play.  
But after the game, Sunday morning quarterbacking has its important place also.
Guido Sarducci

Let the war continue elsewhere.  I do not want it fought here.
puc reducks

Amen, Padre.  A-m-e-n.
jasmine

Guido Sarducci wrote:
Let the war continue elsewhere.  I do not want it fought here.


I should kneel and kiss the ring or sleep with the fishes Wink
scrutney

Guido Sarducci wrote:
Let the war continue elsewhere.  I do not want it fought here.


nor do i.

but the sad fact is that although we occupy a quiet little corner of cyberspce here, there are too many bum refugees here for one of the parties mentioned in the above article to ignore us.

we're all the enemy as far as he's concerned and i'm sure that we're being "monitored."

that's not paranoia talking...this is a man that has carried on an on-line smear campaign against anyone who gets in his way...posting people's names, addresses and phone numbers on his blog...all for the sin of posting anonymously on various message boards and being critical of him.

hell, he doesn't even know for sure that the people he accuses of being certain posters, are those posters.

and this man doesn't know how to take no for an answer. he'll work this angle like a dog working a bone.

the article you read above is just round one in the st. augustine internet war.

and it's going to get nasty.

on the up side...we really are a pretty civil crew with no axes to grind.
life is good.
enjoy it.
let the big boys have their war.
and keep a sense of humor...it'll get worse before it gets better.

edited to add:
kudos to coebul and his internet pal guido...you two really do one hell of a job keeping things civil around here...of course you have a better class of poster to work with.

all in all, i'm quite impressed with the things you've accomplished since we started this thing 6+ months ago.

you guys are great.

and edited, yet again:

Quote:
In a Jan. 12 Historic City story, Gold reported not on the St. Augustine City Commission meeting, but on a private citizen who spoke during the public comment segment of the meeting.
Maureen Ortagus, a local activist, had questioned the financial credibility of Donald Wallis, chairman of the First America foundation.
Gold's story focused on Ortagus. In a total non-sequiter, he published that she had previously filed for bankruptcy.


and this is a non-sequiter why?

someone that casts aspersions on someone else's financial credibilty better be willing to have a jaundiced eye cast on there own fiscal responsibility.

i've read this article probably 4 times now...and i can't shake the feeling that it's a hatchet job on mike and sheriff shoar.

i'm cool with that...if the record won't report the news, someone needs to.
and...it's a story that needs to be told.

st. augustine underground should keep up the good work and keep in mind that...there's more than one energumen in this wood pile.

jasmine

[quote="scrutney:3927"

all in all, i'm quite impressed with the things you've accomplished since we started this thing 6+ months ago.

you guys are great.

[/quote]

Ditto
bieramar

scrutney wrote:
Quote:
In a Jan. 12 Historic City story, Gold reported not on the St. Augustine City Commission meeting, but on a private citizen who spoke during the public comment segment of the meeting.

Maureen Ortagus, a local activist, had questioned the financial credibility of Donald Wallis, chairman of the First America foundation.

Gold's story focused on Ortagus.
In a total non-sequiter, he published that she had previously filed for bankruptcy.


and this is a non-sequiter why?

someone that casts aspersions on someone else's financial credibilty better be willing to have a jaundiced eye cast on there own fiscal responsibility.


The January 12 Historic City article was posted by "Mike" here at bumrejects, with subsequent comments and links posted in response.

See:
http://bumrejects.myfreeforum.org/about72.html

I agree with Griffis that the Historic City's article, including reference to Ortagus' bankruptcy, was misleading and a non sequitur.

Ortagus brought Wallis' guilty plea federal court documents regarding his defrauding the U.S. taxpayers to the Commissioners' attention; along with her contention that the financial crime should affect his being associated with the spending of the $275,000 grant (if you follow the link, above, you'll see that I disagreed with Ortagus).  

Filing for bankruptcy is a far cry from a crime, and was irrelevant to the issue raised by Ortagus.

PS: While I don't see an "hatchet job" on Gold or Shoar by Griffis in the lead article of this thread, I do see a definite spin and bias against them, and for Slavin.  Maybe it is simply a matter of definition of "hatchet job."
scrutney

Quote:
Filing for bankruptcy is a far cry from a crime, and was irrelevant to the issue raised by Ortagus.

PS: While I don't see an "hatchet job" on Gold or Shoar by Griffis in the lead article of this thread, I do see a definite spin and bias against them, and for Slavin.  Maybe it is simply a matter of definition of "hatchet job."


okay, maybe my use of hatchet job was imprudent.
but the article was slanted pro slavin.
i can live with that.
this is a good story and it's refreshing to see that someone is covering it.

as for mike questioning old whatshername's financial credibilty?

it's all grist for the mill.

jeez it's tough having an npr mentality in a foxnews world.
bieramar

scrutney wrote:
jeez it's tough having an npr mentality in a foxnews world.


Heh, heh, heh.

Or in my childhood, having a Scientific American mentality in a Readers Digest world.

They were the "must reads" of my youth and I loved them both - but it was years later when I was researching historical documents and teaching Propaganda 101 at a Navy Intelligence School that I realized the biased content spread by the Digest's brainwashing.
coebul

Watch it pal my mother was published in RD!!!
bieramar

Hmpf!

A Reader's Digest editor rejected a First Person manuscript from me in '63.

A really nice detailed rejection letter, however, with suggestions for edit/re-write, and an invite to re-submit.
scrutney

the st. augustine underground site is currently unavailable.

one of the principals in the internet war thinks that the other principal had the site taken down to prevent the" pulitzer prize" worthy story from...oh, i don't know...read it for yourself here.

it's about a quarter of the way down the page.

god...the man just secretes paranoia.

edited to add:

i just went and picked up a couple of copies of the print edition...ya know, as keepsakes.

ya gotta love that first amendment.
bieramar

scrutney wrote:
the st. augustine underground site is currently unavailable.

one of the principals in the internet war thinks that the other principal had the site taken down to prevent the" pulitzer prize" worthy story from...oh, i don't know...read it for yourself here.

it's about a quarter of the way down the page.

god...the man just secretes paranoia.

edited to add:

i just went and picked up a couple of copies of the print edition...ya know, as keepsakes.

ya gotta love that first amendment.


Well, as "Mike" posted several years ago on one of the plazabum forums, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people out to get you."

The St. Augustine Underground site is back up again (damn, its almost like Wikileaks), and here is the explanation from the Editor:

---
editor's note: I removed a photo of Ed Slavin that was originally posted on Gold's website from this story after Gold filed a complaint with The Underground's hosting company alleging copyright infringement.

The use of that photo and the photo of Gold from Slavin's website both fall under the fair use doctrine, which allows samples of copyrighted material to be published as part of a critique or news report, but in an agreement with our hosting company, which had suspended access to this website for more than 24 hours, we agreed to remove the photo from our website.

It still appears in the print edition of The Underground.

Gold's decision to file a formal complaint rather than address his concerns to me is interesting.

In November, 2010, Gold republished an entire column, word-for-word, from the first issue of The Underground without any indication that the column was originally published here.

Rather than file a formal complaint, I contacted Gold directly, first leaving a voice mail for him asking him to remove the copyrighted material, and then sending him a series of emails asking demanding he do so, which he eventually - and grudgingly - did.

A short time later he began publishing, without permission, stories written by Flagler College students for two of the school's publications.

The Underground has partnered with the two publications and frequently republishes stories written by the students involved - with permission - as part of our partnership.

The school's journalism department contacted Gold and he later removed the stories.

It appears Gold is as inconsistent about his respect for copyright laws as he is about the application of the public figure/private citizen standard.

Mark Pettus, Editor
--- end editor's note ---


Regarding the internet copyright wars in general I draw your attention to http://bumrejects.myfreeforum.org/about224.html
scrutney

wow.
it's been quite a day.
16 people on line at once and a brand spankin' new member with the enigmatic appellation of "theunderground".
hmmmmmm.

bieramar

I'm not so sure about "enigmatic" - as he includes the e-mail address to The Underground, and describes himself as "newspaper guy"?

Now blackknite strikes me as a bit mysterious and potentially foreboding.  The double "k" piques my interest.
coebul

Neither seems overly anxious to post anything.
bieramar

I had e-mailed The St. Augustine Underground for permission to publish the article with which I began this thread.  

It is possible that triggered theunderground's registration.

Some people register - with no intention of posting - because of "closed" threads on so many sites, i.e. "Guests" don't see everything the registered members do.
coebul

bieramar wrote:
I had e-mailed The St. Augustine Underground for permission to publish the article with which I began this thread.  

It is possible that triggered theunderground's registration.

Some people register - with no intention of posting - because of "closed" threads on so many sites, i.e. "Guests" don't see everything the registered members do.


Nothing is closed on this board.  I will eventually prune those accounts that do not post.
bieramar

coebul wrote:
Nothing is closed on this board.  I will eventually prune those accounts that do not post.


Its a "can't prove a negative" thing.

When a newcomer scans a forum/board (s)he doesn't know whether registration is required for total access unless there is a notice - and it is SOP to register just in case.

If you choose to prune non-posters, I suggest you put a Notice at the registration, e.g.: "Registered members inactive for 60 days will be unregistered" (or something like that).

And/or the quite standard notice: "Guests can view all forums, but must register to post comments."
coebul

bieramar wrote:
coebul wrote:
Nothing is closed on this board.  I will eventually prune those accounts that do not post.


Its a "can't prove a negative" thing.

When a newcomer scans a forum/board (s)he doesn't know whether registration is required for total access unless there is a notice - and it is SOP to register just in case.

If you choose to prune non-posters, I suggest you put a Notice at the registration, e.g.: "Registered members inactive for 60 days will be unregistered" (or something like that).

And/or the quite standard notice: "Guests can view all forums, but must register to post comments."
Works for me.  Only trying to keep it simple around here.  There are several that have been members for a while with not one post.  I know at least one that only joined for my benefit.  

I will put a notice up on the welcome thread.
scrutney

i think that someone's doing research for another pulitzer prize worthy article.
i should mention...the j in scrutney is silent.
coebul

Absolutely nothing about Scrutney is silent!
scrutney

strangely enough st. augustine underground is off line again.

i smell a rat.
(a great big dutch rat)
jasmine

scrutney wrote:
strangely enough st. augustine underground is off line again.

i smell a rat.
(a great big dutch rat)


You sure it's not a German rat, Dutch seems to set some people off.
scrutney

jasmine wrote:
scrutney wrote:
strangely enough st. augustine underground is off line again.

i smell a rat.
(a great big dutch rat)


You sure it's not a German rat, Dutch seems to set some people off.


if you're thinking of the same/some person i am...they were/are a loaded psychosis waiting to erupt.

bieramar

scrutney wrote:
strangely enough st. augustine underground is off line again.

i smell a rat.
(a great big dutch rat)


Bob Parsons, CEO of Go Daddy?

[NB: Prepare for paranoic post]

The facts are that Go Daddy has pulled the plug on a number of hosted websites which contained criticisms of police or military persons, policies, or police actions.

The facts also are that Parson's views on "terrorist" tactics, racial-profiling, and safari elephant killing are well publicized.[*]

The paranoic conspiracy theory is that Parsons has directed the shutting down of the hosting of websites that don't meet his own philosophy; which leads to the question of how "free" is free speech when all hosting is owned by someone; the attempts to remove WikiLeaks from the web being cited as proof.

[*]Parsons doesn't mince any words on his http://www.bobparsons.me/ personal site.

Also check out his "16 Rules" (in four languages); #8 caught my eye.
puc reducks

BOB PARSON'S 16 RULES FOR SUCCESS IN BUSINESS AND LIFE IN GENERAL

1. Get and stay out of your comfort zone.
I believe that not much happens of any significance when we're in our comfort zone.  I hear people say, "But I'm concerned about security."  My response to that is simple: "Security is for cadavers."

2. Never give up.
Almost nothing works the first time it's attempted.  Just because what you're doing does not seem to be working, doesn't mean it won't work.  It just means that it might not work the way you're doing it.  If it was easy, everyone would be doing it, and you wouldn't have an opportunity.

3. When you're ready to quit, you're closer than you think.
There's an old Chinese saying that I just love, and I believe it is so true.  It goes like this: "The temptation to quit will be greatest just before you are about to succeed."

4. With regard to whatever worries you, not only accept the worst thing that could happen, but make it a point to quantify what the worst thing could be.
Very seldom will the worst consequence be anywhere near as bad as a cloud of "undefined consequences."  My father would tell me early on, when I was struggling and losing my shirt trying to get Parsons Technology going, "Well, Robert, if it doesn't work, they can't eat you."

5. Focus on what you want to have happen.
Remember that old saying, "As you think, so shall you be."

6. Take things a day at a time.
No matter how difficult your situation is, you can get through it if you don't look too far into the future, and focus on the present moment.  You can get through anything one day at a time.

7. Always be moving forward.
Never stop investing.  Never stop improving.  Never stop doing something new.  The moment you stop improving your organization, it starts to die.  Make it your goal to be better each and every day, in some small way.  Remember the Japanese concept of Kaizen.  Small daily improvements eventually result in huge advantages.

8. Be quick to decide.
Remember what General George S. Patton said: "A good plan violently executed today is far and away better than a perfect plan tomorrow."

9. Measure everything of significance.
I swear this is true.  Anything that is measured and watched, improves.

10. Anything that is not managed will deteriorate.
If you want to uncover problems you don't know about, take a few moments and look closely at the areas you haven't examined for a while.  I guarantee you problems will be there.

11. Pay attention to your competitors, but pay more attention to what you're doing.
When you look at your competitors, remember that everything looks perfect at a distance. Even the planet Earth, if you get far enough into space, looks like a peaceful place.

12. Never let anybody push you around.
In our society, with our laws and even playing field, you have just as much right to what you're doing as anyone else, provided that what you're doing is legal.

13. Never expect life to be fair.
Life isn't fair.  You make your own breaks.  You'll be doing good if the only meaning fair has to you, is something that you pay when you get on a bus (i.e., fare).

14. Solve your own problems.
You'll find that by coming up with your own solutions, you'll develop a competitive edge.  Masura Ibuka, the co-founder of SONY, said it best: "You never succeed in technology, business, or anything by following the others."  There's also an old Asian saying that I remind myself of frequently.  It goes like this: "A wise man keeps his own counsel."

15. Don't take yourself too seriously.
Lighten up.  Often, at least half of what we accomplish is due to luck. None of us are in control as much as we like to think we are.

16. There's always a reason to smile.
Find it.  After all, you're really lucky just to be alive.  Life is short.  More and more, I agree with my little brother. He always reminds me: "We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time!"

"Copyright © 2004 Bob Parsons. All rights reserved. Reproduced with permission."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Terms of Reproduction of Bob Parsons® 16 Rules for Success in Business and Life in General. Thank you for your interest in sharing/reproducing Bob Parsons' 16 Rules. You may reproduce these rules under the following terms and conditions:

•You must reproduce the Rules in their entirety, with no changes or alterations.
•You may not reproduce the Rules for profit or other commercial gain.
•You may not reproduce the Rules in connection with any illegal activity.
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bieramar

In the early '70s in my Weeden St. office I had a sign on my desk which encompassed the fundamental principle expressed in #2 and #8.

ANYTHING WORTH DOING IS WORTH DOING POORLY

It really aggravated some folks, but it opened the door for further discussion about adult and child achievements, goals etc.

I really like the younger brother's advice, which is encompassed in my tagline, below:
bieramar

The St. Augustine Underground site is online again.

Another "copyright" complaint brought it down, following the talkbacks in response to the original article (see page 1 of this thread):

TALKBACKS
(1) Tara says:
Michael Gold seemingly believes that he is above the copyright laws that he holds others to. Last fall I contacted him after finding that he posted an "editorial" column that was a copy and paste of an email that was widely circulated, only Michael tried to represent it as his own. He also has a history of censoring comments on Historic City if he doesn't like what you have to say.

(2) Ed Slavin says:  
MICHAEL GOLD's DMCA takedown of this St. Augustine Underground website for 27 hours [Ed. Note: the first off-line event] - based upon the pretext of the Underground reprinting GOLD's photo of me and violating GOLD's alleged copyright - was an attack by a bully upon our First Amendment and our Right to Know.
In the words of Wm. F. Buckley, Jr., "Why does baloney reject the grinder?"

(3) Jason says:  
Thank you for this very informative story. Gold has posted two of my own blog posts on his site. The first, a post about budget cuts for state parks, was done without my permission. The second one, about a county noise ordinance, he requested permission to post, which I granted.
As someone who follows many local internet and social network sites including Historic City News, I will now be much more critical of this source for local information.

--- end talkbacks on article ---

Here are the msgs to GoDaddy following the last shutdown:

(time measured from 11:30 a.m. Eastern today)

[24 hours ago] Dear GoDaddy; If we want to challenge a copyright complaint, why does entire site have to be suspended for 10-14 days? Why not just the item?

[22 hours ago] GoDaddy; Unfortunately, email conversations where wait is 5-12 hours for every response aren't effective for resolving problems. Need a call.

[18 hours ago] GoDaddy; Our last contact from you guys was 6 hours ago. Our site is still down. Your customer service leaves much to be desired.

[18 hours ago] Dr. Bob Parsons; How about a hand dealing with GoDaddy copyright office, who won't answer or return our calls. Website down almost a full day.

[17 hours ago] GoDaddy says site will be back up shortly. They also say they will never return phone calls -- all contacts must be by emails 6 hours apart.
puc reducks

Talk about SLEAZE.

Talk about nuisance complaints.

Talk about bullies.

Surely, there must be a better solution for The SA Underground.  

GoDaddy can't the the only host around.  Question

Thanks for keeping us updated, all the way from NM!
TheUnderground

Sorry for the down time

'Ola, rejects.

I'm sorry for the down time. The latest suspension was partly my fault. When GoDaddy asked me to remove the photo of Slavin that Gold had posted on his site, I -- thinking like an editor, not a webmaster -- removed it from the page it was published on. I didn't remove it from the server (I think expecting that is a lot like expecting me to throw away a hard copy rather than file it (under specious complaints)).

But you're right, there has to be a better hosting solution out there. The Underground is the only website we don't host on our own servers (Journal has its own DMCA agent -- the person Gold SHOULD have contacted if he didn't want to talk to me). Because the Underground's website is not meant to be a profit generator (none of the ads on the site generate revenue, most are for non-profits), we decided to take a different approach that kept control of the site in editorial hands. It may be time to rethink that strategy.

GoDaddy's unwillingness to communicate with us directly has come as a shock. I expected better. Interestingly, Gold appears to be a reseller for GoDaddy through its Wild West Domains program. Not sure if that had any effect on how we were treated, but I intend to find out. One of my reporters is currently pursuing a story about GoDaddy's policies related to DMCA.

Regards,
Mark Pettus, Editor, The Saint Augustine Underground
puc reducks

Hi, Mark,
Thank you for stopping by to let us know what's going on with SA's internet wars.

Yes, big diff in thinking like an editor and thinking like a webmaster.   

Shocked, too, that GoDaddy gave y'all the bum's rush.  I hope you find a more appropriate host so no more online interruptions.

"Dig Deeper"
scrutney

puc wrote:
GoDaddy can't the the only host around.


there may be some underused bandwidth over at historic media.
oh...and theunderground...the j in scrutney is silent.
coebul

A list of the top 10 web hosting companies.

http://www.hostaz.com/
puc reducks

Verrry interesting, Coebul.  
puc reducks

Journal Communications sells Florida newspaper
e-mail print By Don Walker of the Journal Sentinel
June 9, 2011 |(17) Comments

Journal Community Publishing Group Inc., a subsidiary of Journal Communications, announced Thursday the sale of the Pelican Press and Pelican Press Marketplace, located in Sarasota, Fla., to the Observer Group of Florida.

Terms of the sale were not disclosed.

Journal Communications is the publisher of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and JSOnline. It also owns and operates 33 radio stations and 13 television stations in 12 states. It also operates an additional television station under a local marketing agreement.
bieramar

And the saga continues - see the opening post of this thread.

Staugustineunderground.net is up and running, but both shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com are unreachable.  

The 3rd reincarnation of plazabum.com since the Facebook version just came online on Wednesday the 15th.

Historiccity.com is also alive.
scrutney

bieramar wrote:
And the saga continues - see the opening post of this thread.

Staugustineunderground.net is up and running, but both shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com are unreachable.  

The 3rd reincarnation of plazabum.com since the Facebook version just came online on Wednesday the 15th.

Historiccity.com is also alive.


by my count the extant version of plazabum survives after it's 5th reboot.
and as for shameful people, no one has ever proven who ran it...although it doesn't take a genius to finger it out.

i'm sure that whoever operated it, that person kept it running as the proverbial "badge of honor" that earned the scorn of the people it skewered.

my thoughts on the subject can best be described with a succinct:

whatever.
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
bieramar wrote:
And the saga continues - see the opening post of this thread.

Staugustineunderground.net is up and running, but both shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com are unreachable.  

The 3rd reincarnation of plazabum.com since the Facebook version just came online on Wednesday the 15th.

Historiccity.com is also alive.


by my count the extant version of plazabum survives after it's 5th reboot.
and as for shameful people, no one has ever proven who ran it...although it doesn't take a genius to finger it out.

i'm sure that whoever operated it, that person kept it running as the proverbial "badge of honor" that earned the scorn of the people it skewered.

my thoughts on the subject can best be described with a succinct:

whatever.



It's all enough to put one off forums for a long, long time.  If not for good.

Why and how one individual (brilliant but deranged) can end up with such power in a community is beyond my ken.

As Robert Francis Kennedy was fond of saying, "It's a Tennessee wind that blows ill over the Ancient City."

Whatever.
coebul

puc reducks wrote:


It's all enough to put one off forums for a long, long time.  If not for good.
Gutten Himnel!  Don't do that please.  

puc reducks wrote:
Why and how one individual (brilliant but deranged) can end up with such power in a community is beyond my ken.

As Robert Francis Kennedy was fond of saying, "It's a Tennessee wind that blows ill over the Ancient City."

Whatever.
Yep WHATEVER is right.
bieramar

Plazabum.com is back online, with a new poster ghost of skookum;
©2011 by John Doe.

Shamefulpeople.com is also back online; ©2011 by John Doe, but the last entry is August 4, 2009 "shaming" a St. Johns Co. commissioner.
puc reducks

bieramar wrote:
Plazabum.com is back online, with a new poster ghost of skookum;
©2011 by John Doe.

Shamefulpeople.com is also back online; ©2011 by John Doe, but the last entry is August 4, 2009 "shaming" a St. Johns Co. commissioner.


Ghost of Skookum.

That's just fucking sick.  It's not clever, it's mean and disrespectful.  The kind of thing one uses for dead politicians.

I hope LongWalker is laughing someplace, 'cuz I'm not.   Evil or Very Mad
bieramar

Concur.
jasmine

puc reducks wrote:
bieramar wrote:
Plazabum.com is back online, with a new poster ghost of skookum;
©2011 by John Doe.

Shamefulpeople.com is also back online; ©2011 by John Doe, but the last entry is August 4, 2009 "shaming" a St. Johns Co. commissioner.


Ghost of Skookum.

That's just fucking sick.  It's not clever, it's mean and disrespectful.  The kind of thing one uses for dead politicians.

I hope LongWalker is laughing someplace, 'cuz I'm not.   Evil or Very Mad


Not funny.
JodyB

Maybe, just maybe.....

I mean could it be ?  
Is it possible even the Grim Reaper could not silence Skookum ?
scrutney

Re: Maybe, just maybe.....

JodyB wrote:
I mean could it be ?  
Is it possible even the Grim Reaper could not silence Skookum ?


skookum, july 3 2007 wrote:
I don't care if I am remembered or not. I will know I was here and tried to make a difference and that is all that counts.
puc reducks

Re: Maybe, just maybe.....

scrutney wrote:
JodyB wrote:
I mean could it be ?  
Is it possible even the Grim Reaper could not silence Skookum ?


skookum, july 3 2007 wrote:
I don't care if I am remembered or not. I will know I was here and tried to make a difference and that is all that counts.


Amen.
scrutney

the hostilities continue in the st augustine internet war.

an editorial from st augustine underground and ed's response:

Editorial: The Gold standard for ethical journalism

A couple of weeks ago, I removed a photo of Ed Slavin that was originally posted on Michael Gold’s website, HistoricCity.com, from the St. Augustine Underground website after Gold filed a complaint with The Underground’s hosting company alleging copyright infringement.

The use of that photo and a photo of Gold from Slavin’s website both fall under the fair use doctrine, which allows samples of copyrighted material to be published as part of a critique or news report, but in an agreement with our hosting company, which suspended access to our website for more than 24 hours, we agreed to remove the photo from our website. It still appears in the June print edition of The Underground.

Gold’s decision to file a formal complaint rather than address his concerns to me is interesting.

In November, 2010, Gold republished an entire column, word-for-word, from the first issue of The Underground without any indication that the column was originally published here.

Rather than file a formal complaint, I contacted Gold directly, first leaving a voice mail for him asking him to remove the copyrighted material, and then sending him a series of emails demanding he do so, which he eventually — and grudgingly — did.

A short time later he began publishing, without permission, stories written by Flagler College students for two of the school’s publications. The Underground has partnered with the two publications and frequently republishes stories written by the students involved — with permission — as part of our partnership. The school’s journalism department contacted Gold and he later removed the stories.

It appears Gold is as inconsistent about his respect for copyright laws as he is about the application of the public figure/private citizen standard.

If there is one thing he is consistent about, it is his disregard for ethics.

From pretending that public relations firms’ press releases are original reporting, to using his “news” website to promote political positions under the guise of news, to his not-so-subtle smears of black politicians (earlier this year he suggested that St. Johns County Commissioner Ken Bryan was not black enough to stand with local civil rights activists), Gold has shown no regard for the ethics of his professed profession.

As evidenced by Gold’s DMCA takedown of The Underground’s website, he has no tolerance for having his questionable ethics aired in a public forum.

Now it appears he hoped to hide his future activities from our reporters by blocking access to his website from all Journal Communications IP addresses. He failed to take into account how easy it is to access his websites using smart phones, proxy servers, home computers and even wi-fi hotspots like those at Starbucks — all of which have different IP addresses than the Journal servers.

We’re not going away, Mr. Gold, and if you insist on continuing to present yourself as a journalist and your website as a news outlet, we’re going to continue reporting on how you do. That’s our job, and we try to be good at it.

You should do the same.

Mark Pettus, Editor


One Response to Editorial: The Gold standard for ethical journalism

Ed Slavin says

Thank you for another great issue of the St. Augustine Underground!

How hilarious that MICHAEL GOLD somehow thinks blocking your IP address would keep you from reading his hate websites!

I agree with you that, “As evidenced by Gold’s DMCA takedown of The Underground’s website, he has no tolerance for having his questionable ethics aired in a public forum.” GOLD is intolerant. That is his essence.

How ironic that developer-directed political apparatchik MICHAEL GOLD claimed a copyright interest in my photo, which he took at the dedication of the Riberia Street improvements earlier this year.

GOLD didn’t ask me before asserting a copyright.

GOLD used the putative copyright interest to censor the news about him and SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR.

Serial tortfeasors like MICHAEL GOLD and SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR can’t stand criticism. MICHAEL GOLD wanted to censor the news at its source.

GOLD is no journalist – he is a political dirty trickster — St. Johns County’s third rate KARL ROVE. God forgive GOLD for his Lashon hora. God forgive GOLD for his heinous, hamhanded, hysterically funny attempt to avoid scrutiny by the Fourth Estate. God forgive DAVID SHOAR for giving significant encouragement to GOLD’s bigotry.

In the words of the late, great conservative Republican political columnist William F. Buckley, Jr., “Why does baloney reject the grinder?”

I salute you for stating, “We’re not going away, Mr. Gold, and if you insist on continuing to present yourself as a journalist and your website as a news outlet, we’re going to continue reporting on how you do. That’s our job, and we try to be good at it.”

Kudos to the St. Augustine Underground for reporting the news that no other newspaper dared to cover — GOLD’s libel machine. Keep up the good work, St. Augustine Underground!

Ed Slavin


link
bieramar

I've lost count!

I just went to http://www.plazabum.com to see if there were any further comments about "the war" or any of the participants, and found YET ANOTHER NEW beginning, with all the old posts gone into cyberspace.

The "notice":
---
Finally!

The bums all got together and sold enough blood to raise the cash to knock this trashcan out of tilt.

Virgo didn't need to sell his dentures after all.

REGISTER ONE LAST TIME AND YOU'LL BE SET FOR LIFE
---

So far only mike and zorravaliosa have registered (the latter a sig used some time back on TotT or PlazaBum or both by a lady I knew).
Enuff

Does anyone have the Cliff notes for this thread?  I will never catch up!  Enuff said.
jasmine

Enuff wrote:
Does anyone have the Cliff notes for this thread?  I will never catch up!  Enuff said.


Welcome Enuff, just jump in, I had to.  I just joined too
bieramar

Hey Enuff, good to see you jumped over - its lots more fun here than with those other bums.

I suggest you read the first post on this thread, and follow the source link to the comments made there for the substance of the internet squabbling - which is bound to get steamier as the election nears.
scrutney

bieramar wrote:
Hey Enuff, good to see you jumped over - its lots more fun here than with those other bums.

I suggest you read the first post on this thread, and follow the source link to the comments made there for the substance of the internet squabbling - which is bound to get steamier as the election nears.


enuff's on board?
life is sweet.
puc reducks

Go Daddy, an Internet domain registrar, is sold
By JORDAN ROBERTSON
AP Technology Writer

The parent company of GoDaddy.com, a top registrar of Internet domain names, has been sold to a group of private investment firms for $2.25 billion, a person familiar with the transaction told The Associated Press.

Go Daddy Group Inc.'s sale to KKR, Silver Lake and Technology Crossover Ventures comes as the company expects to top $1.1 billion in revenue this year because expanding Internet use has fueled the creation of more websites and the "domains" needed to help find them. Go Daddy announced the sale late Friday. A person close to the transaction, who asked to remain anonymous because of not being authorized to speak publicly, told the AP the sale price.

A fact sheet accompanying the release indicated that Go Daddy's revenue has grown by more than 20 percent in each of the past several years.

The Go Daddy Group Inc. was founded in 1997 by Bob Parsons, who continues to serve as its CEO. The company, based in Scottsdale, Ariz., manages more than 48 million domain names, and sells other Internet-related technologies.

Posted on Fri, Jul. 01, 2011 05:52 PM


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07...main-registrar.html#ixzz1QxQOofR5
bieramar

Related article about ICANN's expansion of domains in the June 20th post here: http://bumrejects.myfreeforum.org/ftopic26-10.php
mike

Mark Penis wrote:
"his not-so-subtle smears of black politicians (earlier this year he suggested that St. Johns County Commissioner Ken Bryan was not black enough to stand with local civil rights activists)"

I never said he wasn't black enough; however, he surely can't walk a mile in the shoes of some of the real civil rights heroes we've got to be proud of in St. Augustine.
puc reducks

This grows by leaps and bounds.
bieramar

St. Augustine Underground Discontinued - Ponte Vedra Recorder and Clay Today sell

Jacksonville Business Journal
by  Christian Conte, Staff writer
August 30, 2011
 
Two local weekly newspapers, the Ponte Vedra Recorder and Clay Today, along with three other related publications, have been sold to a family-owned publishing group in South Carolina.

Mark Pettus, the former editor of The Recorder, confirmed that the sale of the publications to the Osteen Publishing Co. of Sumter, S.C., is expected to be completed Sept. 1. Details of the acquisition, including the purchase price, were not disclosed.

The acquisition includes the First Coast Register, Car Connection and the St. Augustine Underground. The St. Augustine Underground is being discontinued.
---
Source, and rest of the story: http://www.bizjournals.com/jackso...klies-sell-to-south-carolina.html
====
mike

SOMETIMES, THE HEADLINES JUST WRITE THEMSELVES.


Mark Pettus wrote:
We’re not going away, Mr. Gold, and if you insist on continuing to present yourself as a journalist and your website as a news outlet, we’re going to continue reporting on how you do.


Ed Slavin wrote:
I salute you for stating, “We’re not going away, Mr. Gold, and if you insist on continuing to present yourself as a journalist and your website as a news outlet, we’re going to continue reporting on how you do. That’s our job, and we try to be good at it.”


St. Augustine Record wrote:
The Ponte Vedra Recorder has been sold to a South Carolina company, Recorder editor Mark Pettus said Tuesday, his last day on the job.

The move means that the St. Augustine Underground, a monthly newspaper, will stop publication immediately, Pettus said.

Pettus said Publisher Vinnie Grassia was already let go, so he had expected to follow.

Pettus, sounding resigned but optimistic, said he had expected the dismissal and was looking forward to finding another position -- though probably not another editorship.


I don't know, Mr. Pettus.  Maybe Ed Slavin has a job for you?
puc reducks

Ed's hiring???
coebul

Guys I watched PlazaBum Crash an Burn over these kind of attacks.   Please keep that in mind.
puc reducks

Roger that.
scrutney

puc reducks wrote:
Roger that.


the urban dictionary wrote:
To roger is an English slang term commonly used to mean have sexual intercourse. However, it is used only for men towards Women, and not the other way round.
I am going to roger her.
I rogered her something stupid.
scrut: edited a wee bit to keep it within the boundries of good taste.


coe wrote:
Guys I watched PlazaBum Crash an Burn over these kind of attacks.   Please keep that in mind.


roger that, coe.
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
Roger that.


the urban dictionary wrote:
To roger is an English slang term commonly used to mean have sexual intercourse. However, it is used only for men towards Women, and not the other way round.
I am going to roger her.
I rogered her something stupid.
scrut: edited a wee bit to keep it within the boundries of good taste.


coe wrote:
Guys I watched PlazaBum Crash an Burn over these kind of attacks.   Please keep that in mind.


roger that, coe.



Jesus Mary and Joseph, everyone has sex on the brain!

Roger in my use is NOT A FUCKING VERB.  (If you get my drift.)

"Roger that" is a military affirmation that the party heard the immediate transmission and understands and is hanging up.

As in "Roger wilco and out."

"Roger that" is the short version.

(And spare me "size" jokes!)

p.s.
Scrutney, YOU are the instigator!  Bet it was your title in the Family Unit, too, right?   Very Happy
puc reducks

p.s.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Roger%20that

thesaurus for Roger that:
affirmative roger yes alright 10-4 copy military ok sure 10 1 10 2 agree copy that okay more...
1.  Roger that  918 up, 63 down
Slang, usually used in radio transmissions such as military communications, meaning "I understand" or "I hear you." Synonymous with "I copy that." Often just "Roger"
-All Units, this is a Code Red. Return to base, over?
-Roger that. Heading to home.
buy roger that mugs & shirtsroger that military agree copy copy that rodger
by mash92587 Nov 13, 2005 share this add a video
 
2.  roger that  291 up, 70 down
affirmative in nature, yes, i acknowledge what you are saying, i heard you, i agree, yes this is true, you are right, right.


~~~~
Read to end of definition to get to the "interesting" stuff, which is as Scrutney writes.  Also, "roger that" is used to replace forgotten lyrics to a song!
jasmine

I agree or should I say I roger that, Puc, Scrut and Coe have sex on their collective brains, or maybe they just share one.
puc reducks

jasmine wrote:
I agree or should I say I roger that, Puc, Scrut and Coe have sex on their collective brains, or maybe they just share one.


Well, that's kinda mean!   Razz
jasmine

puc reducks wrote:
jasmine wrote:
I agree or should I say I roger that, Puc, Scrut and Coe have sex on their collective brains, or maybe they just share one.


Well, that's kinda mean!   Razz


Yep
puc reducks

jasmine wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
jasmine wrote:
I agree or should I say I roger that, Puc, Scrut and Coe have sex on their collective brains, or maybe they just share one.


Well, that's kinda mean!   Razz


Yep


Bad day at work?  Holiday coming up!  Be cheerful!   Smile
jasmine

puc reducks wrote:
jasmine wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
jasmine wrote:
I agree or should I say I roger that, Puc, Scrut and Coe have sex on their collective brains, or maybe they just share one.


Well, that's kinda mean!   Razz


Yep


Bad day at work?  Holiday coming up!  Be cheerful!   Smile


I thought I was being cheerful, ho ho ho, ha ha ha, Santa Clause is Coming to Town.  Ooops, wrong holiday.  Don't take me seriously, I was born a smartass.
coebul

OH, ,,,, OH ,,, OH, OH OHOHHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOH.
jasmine

coebul wrote:
OH, ,,,, OH ,,, OH, OH OHOHHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOH.


I hope you didn't mess up your computer screen
auntmartymoo

Naughty Naughty
puc reducks

coebul wrote:
OH, ,,,, OH ,,, OH, OH OHOHHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOH.



"I want what HE'S having!"
coebul

I didn't bring up the sex topic and am not taking it any further!
puc reducks

coebul wrote:
I didn't bring up the sex topic and am not taking it any further!


"Roger that, Coe."


BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA
coebul

puc reducks wrote:


"Roger that" is the short version.

(And spare me "size" jokes!)

We did!
scrutney

i think someone has kidnapped the edster...just ran across this on his blog:

Quote:
Former County Commissioner BRUCE MAGUIRE wrote a column for thoughtful Michael Gold's "Historic City News" in which he complains about cheapskate day-tripping tourists who attend festivals at our Special Events Field, otherwise known as Francis Field.


thoughtful?
in the past, ed's called mike everything but a christian gentleman...but now he's thoughtful?

and to make matters...well..even stranger, he agrees with something bruce maguire said???

here's the link ...when reading, try to remember that truth is stranger than fiction.

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