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tsiya

The Energumens Got Him!!

Slavin arrested at home on Anastasia Island

Historic City News has learned that Edward A. Slavin, Jr., was taken into custody by officers with the U.S. Marshal Service at about 1:00 p.m. today in connection with an outstanding criminal warrant issued by the Supreme Court of Tennessee.
Slavin was taken to the St. Johns County Detention Facility by US Marshals who verified the status of the outstanding warrant against him. According to Public Information Officer Sgt. Chuck Mulligan, in the course of the booking process, the local marshals were notified by the Tennessee Supreme Court that they will hold a special hearing to determine if they will extradite Slavin from Florida.



http://www.historiccity.com/2011/...at-home-on-anastasia-island-12461
bieramar

And also:
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St. Augustine community activist, Ed Slavin, was booked in the St. Johns County Jail today on a warrant issued by the Tennessee Supreme Court, said Chuck Mulligan, spokesman for the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office.
 
The warrant for Slavin's arrest has been outstanding for a couple of years, Mulligan said.
 
"The warrant somehow was not entered into the system so we couldn't see it before," he said.
 
St. Johns County detectives found the warrant while doing preliminary cyber stalking investigation work
, Mulligan said. He could not confirm or deny whether Slavin was involved in the active stalking investigation....
 
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Source: http://staugustine.com/news/local...unity-activist-ed-slavin-arrested
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And more:

A U.S. District Court judge in Augusta, Ga., has dismissed legal proceedings filed by two "community activists" in St. Augustine against The St. Augustine Record's parent company, saying the issues raised are "frivolous" and "entirely devoid of merit."

March 29, 2011

U.S. District Judge J. Randal Hall ruled Monday that Ed Slavin and Judith Seraphin had no legal right to try to shoehorn their grievances against The Record into the bankruptcy relief petitions that Morris Publishing Group filed in January 2010.

Moreover, Hall ruled, Slavin should have known better "than to inappropriately inject himself into these proceedings," since he had been a lawyer in Tennessee before he was disbarred.

Seraphin, who has not been a lawyer, had no such responsibility, the judge said.

Hall ruled that Slavin would be responsible for damages and costs for the filing of a frivolous appeal.
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Source:
http://staugustine.com/news/local...kruptcy-motion-declared-frivolous
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Karma (but I do wonder who didn't enter the warrant into the system).
puc reducks

Karma, agreed.

But couldn't "see" it?  News of the warrant (and the doc itself) were plastered all over TOTT (and PB?) for years. Huh???
tsiya

puc reducks wrote:
Karma, agreed.

But couldn't "see" it?  News of the warrant (and the doc itself) were plastered all over TOTT (and PB?) for years. Huh???



DON'T ASK THEM, THEY READ THE RECORD!



But they obviously weren't following TOTT! Very Happy
scrutney

this is a travesty.
the most pernicious example of legal tomfoolery since the infamous dred scott decision.

i will personally put up the fist quarter dollar contribution to the ed slavin legal defense fund.
hell, i'll even match the second quarter dollar contribution as soon as one of you rich swells coughs it up.

that's the ed slavin legal defense fund-financing citizen strategies for social change since 4:30 this afternoon.
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
Karma, agreed.

But couldn't "see" it?  News of the warrant (and the doc itself) were plastered all over TOTT (and PB?) for years. Huh???



DON'T ASK THEM, THEY READ THE RECORD!   Laughing



But they obviously weren't following TOTT! Very Happy


Exactly!!!  (About The Record!)

But that's not such great detective work, is it?  Ignoring the local fora???  Clear they didn't bother until SOMEONE had a reason to strike back.

Where's he living and what's status on his foreclosure?

Wonder what he does with all that $$$ he earns from J. Seraphin???  Certainly not on sartorial splendour....   Shocked
bieramar

puc reducks wrote:
tsiya wrote:
But they obviously weren't following TOTT! Very Happy


But that's not such great detective work, is it?  Ignoring the local fora???  Clear they didn't bother until SOMEONE had a reason to strike back.


Concur with the last.  

I attest to the fact that both TotT and Plazabum were regularly read by SJCSO personnel; as I was privately contacted on several occasions in regard to the content of some of my comments regarding local city/county LEOs, political figures, and their words/actions.
tsiya

"I attest to the fact that both TotT and Plazabum were regularly read by SJCSO personnel; as I was privately contacted on several occasions in regard to the content of some of my comments regarding local city/county LEOs, political figures, and their words/actions".

You were collaborating with the Energumens? Shocked
bieramar

tsiya wrote:
You were collaborating with the Energumens? Shocked


Just the opposite!  I was perceived as challenging and libeling some city/county "movers and shakers", and they were both attempting to defend and justify their own and others' actions, and also asking for amplification of and further explanations for the rationales for my opinions.  Much as I regularly ask others for their rationales for their opinions.  I was a bit surprised they bothered, in lieu of just ignoring my comments.
scrutney

no mention on ed's hate site of him getting the hook yesterday.

there was however, this quote:

Quote:
Words to live by

"Be the change that you want to see in the world." -- Mahatma Gandhi (one of the favorite quotes of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr. and Rev. Andy Young).


so bumrejects...let's change the world by filing more frivolous lawsuits, misrepresenting, deceiving, harassing, intimidating and insulting those we deal with on a daily basis.
it's the least we can do.
puc reducks

Scrutney wrote:
so bumrejects...let's change the world by filing more frivolous lawsuits, misrepresenting, deceiving, harassing, intimidating and insulting those we deal with on a daily basis.

it's the least we can do.




Don't we have to wait until one of us gets disbarred???   Shocked

I'm just sayin'...
puc reducks

bieramar wrote:
tsiya wrote:
You were collaborating with the Energumens? Shocked


Just the opposite! I was perceived as challenging and libeling some city/county "movers and shakers", and they were both attempting to defend and justify their own and others' actions, and also asking for amplification of and further explanations for the rationales for my opinions.  Much as I regularly ask others for their rationales for their opinions. I was a bit surprised they bothered, in lieu of just ignoring my comments.


Cultures of paranoia, esp. SJC.  "Libeling"???  Hah.  Don't they wish. They are elected officials, in the public, and criticism/praise is part and parcel of same.  Claims of "libel" do not compute.

Not surprising that they "bothered."  (Sure it was no bother at all.)  The county doesn't like it when we the people criticize them.  What does surprise me is that no one threatened you.  (Unless they DID and you just haven't said.)

There's no dearth of nasty, brutish, insulting e-mail messages emanating from a certain county commissioner.

They need to take a lesson from the City.
tsiya

You would have to get barred first, Very Happy
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
You would have to get barred first, Very Happy


How complicated is that???   Laughing



(p.s. Addicted to the Iowa eagles, whom I have named "Sam" and "Sadie."  First eggie-wegg might just hatch tomorrow!)
tsiya

I got barred from TOTT 3 or 4 times, ain't nuthin to it  
I tried to teach Skookum how to do it but he got caught right away every time. Shocked
Hell I've still got several extra email accounts left over, different writing style and personality for each of them.
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
Hell I've still got several extra email accounts left over, different writing style and personality for each of them.


I knew I wasn't paranoid fer nuthin'!!!  Those were bizarre times, indeed.
scrutney

coebul got the axe 3 times...moot kooks, coebul and jeez louise all got that gentle tap on the shoulder.

dunrobin was banned twice.

paradise quit in a huff more times than i care to think about and was instrumental/mental in blowing the whistle on andrew, which got hardware bob the boot...to boot.

i lost track of how many times skook was banned from tott and the bum site.

puc, you were banned once from tott...weren't you?
and i think mac may have gotten the hook once.

bieramar suffered a defacto banning when tott "upgraded" their software, resulting in a lack of support for webtv.

phred was never banned that i know of and i don't think auntmartymoo ever posted over there so the worst she ever suffered would have been a preemptive banning, which believe me, i wouldn't have put past administrator lad.

i never got banned from talk of the town...in any of my personas...and boy howdy and yenturcs fairly begged to get banned...no soap.

i really felt kinda left out...with all the bannees wearing their banishment like a badge of honor.

and when the bum site closed down i felt like renaming us after that paul mcartney album.*
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bieramar

True I was never banned, except for the "de facto" one - which was an intentional anti-bieramar software change by a woman in the publisher's home office in Georgia, without anybody in St. Augustine knowing about it. She hated my antiwar, anti-Bush, and Veterans for Peace posts and had successfully brought pressure to remove some of them prior to the upgrade.

The "software" upgrade could easily have been accomplished allowing WebTv usage, but no one was willing to risk her wrath to do so.

I also had some TotT posts, and portions of posts, about local events and persons censored and deleted by the Editor after readers' complaints.

I've always considered it a privilege to be allowed to post, and had/have no complaints.
tsiya

I trolled on democrats underground for so long I expected to become a moderator, just cruising around dropping little poo bombs here and there, LOL. Get something going, step back and watch, crabs in a bucket. They really do have a surplus of rutabagas there. Very Happy
 Then my doctor changed my meds and I lost some of my lust for mayhem and carnage Very Happy .
puc reducks

Yep, Scrutney, Puc was banned from TOTT.  More than once.  I won't say anymore about it.  It was a ugly period, one which I prefer to forget.

What was that idiot Jesse's last name?  What a flaming idiot.

What happened with Andrew?  I was gone then.

Dun's celebrating her FOURTH YEAR IN BUSINESS (really fabulous tours) tonight!

Lovely story about Morris "Communications," Bieramar.  Nice of the Fourth Estate to censor you.  Consider Morris C in all it's nepotistic, sinecure-ic glory and it's no wonder they picked on you.  In-breeding does that to decision makers.

HBob...  At a loss for words.  Except, "Why ya gotta pick on Democrats???"  (And I'm happy your new meds are working out!)

Toyman.  Now there was a poster w/guts.
bieramar

The day before LKF and I drove out of St. Augustine for New Mexico I went around town and introduced myself as "bieramar" to Toyman and several other TotT members (including St Augustine City officials) with whom I had sparred on TotT and its predecessor through the years.  

We all knew each other in the private sector (think Scarletts, St. George Tavern, Real Estate and Chamber of Commerce mixers, private parties, mutual friends etc.) but they had never "clicked" that I - Chuck/Chuckles/The Chuckster - was bieramar.
tsiya

Why have I got to pick on democrats?

As long as they act as though we live in a democracy, as opposed to a republic, and piss all over the Constitution I'll be in there picking and kicking. Shocked

Calling yourself a democrat is a form of self slander, a democracy is the most unstable and easily corrupted form of government known to man. A democracy always will be corrupted, any democracy,  all democracies, every time.

Advocating democracy isn't something to brag about.
tsiya

bieramar wrote:
The day before LKF and I drove out of St. Augustine for New Mexico I went around town and introduced myself as "bieramar" to Toyman and several other TotT members (including St Augustine City officials) with whom I had sparred on TotT and its predecessor through the years.  

We all knew each other in the private sector (think Scarletts, St. George Tavern, Real Estate and Chamber of Commerce mixers, private parties, mutual friends etc.) but they had never "clicked" that I - Chuck/Chuckles/The Chuckster - was bieramar.


I knew who you are due to my superior internet sleuthing skills! Shocked
puc reducks

[quote="tsiya:2907"]
bieramar wrote:
The day before LKF and I drove out of St. Augustine for New Mexico I went around town and introduced myself as "bieramar" to Toyman and several other TotT members (including St Augustine City officials) with whom I had sparred on TotT and its predecessor through the years.  

We all knew each other in the private sector (think Scarletts, St. George Tavern, Real Estate and Chamber of Commerce mixers, private parties, mutual friends etc.) but they had never "clicked" that I - Chuck/Chuckles/The Chuckster - was bieramar.


I knew who you are due to my superior internet sleuthing skills! Shocked[/quote]

Well, ME TOO!  I went directly to Chuck's website!  No snooping needed!
scrutney

puc wrote:
What was that idiot Jesse's last name?  What a flaming idiot


morton.
you used to refer him as messy jorton.


Quote:
What happened with Andrew?  I was gone then.


andrew and hardware bob were famous feuders.
i don't know all the details...but word round the campfire is that paradise made a phone call to complain about a back and forth between andrew and hbob.
from what i understand, she did this to complain about andrew (andrew used to mop the floor with paradise every time they interacted...hell paradise used to go nose to nose with him on the religion thread, for chrissake....he was untouchable on christianity...an atheist who had done his homework and everybody else's...she hated him).

but the baby got thrown out with the bathwater...messy jorton banned them both.(andrew and hbob)  

puc reducks

Thank you for the walk down memory lane, Scrut!   Very Happy

Should have known Paradise was in on that.  She was...

OK.  Here's one for ya:  What was the name of that old crazy woman who farmed goats (unless that was a joke).  She was a fruit loop extraordinaire.  I wish I could remember more about her.  The funniest thing she did (appropos to moi) was she took liberty with "Puc Puggy" and used to call me "Puke Puggy."

I got such a laugh outta that!!!

Just another colorful period of TOTT.

She also used to do electronic art of some sort.

What the heck ever happened to her?   Question
scrutney

puc reducks wrote:

OK.  Here's one for ya:  What was the name of that old crazy woman who farmed goats (unless that was a joke).  She was a fruit loop extraordinaire.  I wish I could remember more about her.  The funniest thing she did (appropos to moi) was she took liberty with "Puc Puggy" and used to call me "Puke Puggy."



parnifarm?
i'm probably not spelling it right.
if so, she predates my experience with talk of the town.

i ran across some of her posts while searching the archives, years ago.
as i remember, she was a bit throwed off.
tsiya

Andrew was trashing my grandson to get at me, I suppose I shouldn't have let it bother me but I did.
Jesse has an obvious bias against Rednecks to boot, although this old Redneck can give him a run for the money in journalism any day of the week. I have no problem expressing myself in print, if I think it's worth the effort. Most of the time though,  a simple, to the point, 'kiss my butt" expresses my feelings adequately. Very Happy

Speaking of journalists, The Record managed to find one whose entire literary history seems to be reading Harlequin Romance novels. I don't even want to know what passes for the college reading requirements now but I'm guessing it is very narrow. A journalist  with limited vocabulary should be a joke, but they're all over the place today. This may be due to reading only the politically correct stuff the liberal professors are pushing.
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
puc reducks wrote:

OK.  Here's one for ya:  What was the name of that old crazy woman who farmed goats (unless that was a joke).  She was a fruit loop extraordinaire.  I wish I could remember more about her.  The funniest thing she did (appropos to moi) was she took liberty with "Puc Puggy" and used to call me "Puke Puggy."



parnifarm?
i'm probably not spelling it right.
if so, she predates my experience with talk of the town.

i ran across some of her posts while searching the archives, years ago.
as i remember, she was a bit throwed off.


You're good...  I think there was an "m"--maybe Paminafarm???  Now I'll have to Google and Bing.  She was a rare character.  BigMac might remember.  Anyone know how he's doing?
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
Andrew was trashing my grandson to get at me, I suppose I shouldn't have let it bother me but I did.  I remember some of those altercations.  Very hard to read.

Jesse has an obvious bias against Rednecks to boot, Let's not stop there! The little worm also had an obvious bias against women. Schmuck.  although this old Redneck can give him a run for the money in journalism any day of the week.  You have all that age and wisdom on your side!  Razz I have no problem expressing myself in print,  Oy. Such an understatement! if I think it's worth the effort. Most of the time though,  a simple, to the point, 'kiss my butt" expresses my feelings adequately. Very Happy  Agreed!

Speaking of journalists, The Record managed to find one whose entire literary history seems to be reading Harlequin Romance novels.  Who dat??!  I don't even want to know what passes for the college reading requirements now but I'm guessing it is very narrow.  If true, that's scandalous, what with all the material out there. I think "they" are all too busy social networking, as if that matters.  (OK.  I concede its use in Egypt...)  A journalist  with limited vocabulary should be a joke,  Best way to expand one's vocab is to READ.  but they're all over the place today. This may be due to reading only the politically correct stuff the liberal professors are pushing.
 

Now there you go again.  We're having a nice chat and you go and bash "the liberal professors" for what's wrong with Journalism today!  Here's the thing:  It's really that many kids (adults, too, for that matter) today cannot THINK.  If they cannot think, then it never would occur to them to delve, investigate, research, and on and on.  That's not the fault of Liberals any more than it is of Conservatives--unless, of course, you're talking about the book-burning-thus-censoring brutes.
tsiya

Check out the reading lists for high school and college courses and compare them with what was required in the past. You won't find much similarity.

As far as relevance goes, well, that isn't my point. The older works covered a much wider range of life experiences in a vastly superior vocabulary. Required reading today is likely to be the biography of some aspiring young rapper, with tales of how he became a community organizer and got new nets for the basketball hoops in the hood. Relevant? Yep, but limited, and limiting, and NOT relevant to my grandson growing up on Cabbage Hammock.

The concept of education as an instrument of social engineering has been overworked. The very idea of a national education authority would have put the founders into a state of apoplexy, we now indoctrinate more than we educate. This, of course, is precisely the intent.

Ayn Rand was not a novelist as much as a prophet, and we find ourselves with a president who is an articulate rutabaga..

Did you catch the Record article on the tall ship tied at the city pier? Not quoting, but it had "tall masks" holding up the sails, an anchor at the front and an anchor at the port. A more recent article had a couple sailing around on a "catch rig". A journalist not familiar with the correct terminology would have gone hunting for a dictionary and learned that ships have "masts" and that "port' is the entire left side of the ship, A reaonably well read jounalist might have known that a catch rig is actually a "ketch". You just don't go belting out articles when you are on unfamiliar territory, you should know your limits and do the resesrch. It's called learning! Very Happy

This same jounalist made a snide remark, in print,  branding a friend of mine as a flake, a little effort spent on research would have shown that my friend was entirely accurate.
scrutney

tsiya wrote:
Ayn Rand was not a novelist as much as a prophet,


it's a good thing she was a prophet...she was a horrible writer.

i usually won't critique a book that i haven't finished...but:

when dagney taggert submitted to the miner guy...(5 pages of her writhing and wriggling in carnal and capitalistic ecstacy with a guy what takes his time)...i had had enough...i heaved that piece of crap across the room.

ayn rand got her political message across in the first hundred pages.

i told the friend who had recommended the book that i had given up...i can read crap, but not novelized crap...he said that john galt's dissertation at the end was essential reading.

so i read that.
still i contend that rand got her essential points across early on and john galt's rumination was icing on a pretty rancid cake.

still, tsiya...i agree with the politics of the book and rand makes some valid points.

as a prophet, she gets high marks.
as a writer?

tsiya, have you ever seen the fountainhead?

hollywood certainly did a hatchet job on that one...gary cooper as roarke, stud muffining patricia neal with his jack hammer of love.

all the characters are so broadly drawn...the acting is so over the top...

it's like king vidor (the director) was satirizing the original work.

and finally....i have heard that angelina jolie has optioned "atlas shrugged" and a movie will be made in the next couple of years.

yikes.



edited to add:
there is a movie...it's coming out this month and it doesn't look like angelina jolie is involved.

here's the link and there's a clip, as well.
Phred

Quote:
I think there was an "m"--maybe Paminafarm???


http://paminifarm.jeeran.com/urls.html

Yes, a very disturbed lady.
puc reducks

Phred wrote:
Quote:
I think there was an "m"--maybe Paminafarm???


http://paminifarm.jeeran.com/urls.html

Yes, a very disturbed lady.


Thank you, Phred!  Am about to revisit my nemesis!

What a hoot for a Sunday a.m.!!!

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I take that back about "hoot."  Her hatred is boundless.  I have no words to characterize her website. Bad joo-joo (or in Pam's thinking, "Bad Jew-Jew.")

Pa+mini+farm = Pennsylvania Mini [Goat] Farm.  I'll bet she raises them for sacrifice.

Sickening, sickending site.

I hope she never sneaks over here.
bieramar

puc reducks wrote:
Pa+mini+farm = Pennsylvania Mini [Goat] Farm.  I'll bet she raises them for sacrifice.

I hope she never sneaks over here.


If "here" means bumrejects I share your hope.  But if "here" means St. Augustine, she done snuck here many years ago.

Scared out of Pennsylvania by the 3-Mile Island meltdown next to her goat farm - SCOTUS refused to grant certiori on her personal damages lawsuit - she moved to Roswell NM (insert jokes here), then after a couple of years to Anastasia Island -- within a short stroll of our sterling spinner of genres, and also near the home of our infamous disbarred TN attorney, activist and recent jail resident.
bieramar

scrutney wrote:
tsiya wrote:
Ayn Rand was not a novelist as much as a prophet,


[color=blue]it's a good thing she was a prophet...she was a horrible writer....

ayn rand got her political message across in the first hundred pages....

still, tsiya...i agree with the politics of the book and rand makes some valid points.

as a prophet, she gets high marks.
as a writer?


Ayn Rand, f/k/a Alisa Zinovievna Rosenbaum when she was born/christened in February, 1905 in St. Petersberg, Russia, postulated her ideas, which have been described as a philosophy of "Objectivism," in novels.

Her philosophy of Objectivism:

We all have to understand the meaning of "is", i.e. [in her words] "existence exists."

Humans have five senses to perceive that "isness" - if we can't sense it, it doesn't exist; i.e. no God, no gods, no ESP, no ghosts, no angels, no devils, no mystic insights via LSD etc.

Self-preservation and self-interest are the be-all and the end-all of the meaning of life - one's own survival and self-interest comprise the moral and ethical guideline for living.  

Family members, friends, acquaintances, perceived enemies - everyone and everything other than self (including animals and "nature") play second fiddle to one's own self and selfishness.  

The only legitimate human type of government is laissez faire capitalism; with the policing powers of government limited to only preventing any individual who attempts to restrict another individual from obtaining and controlling his self interests with no regard or responsibility to others.    

I don't see any prophetic message - I see a contrived rationale, and rationalizations to justify the selfishness of people, which has existed from the beginning of time, and which is a negative aspect of human nature.
tsiya

Selfishness is an innate survival mechanism and vital to a great extent.  The  family, the flock, the pack or the tribe often makes selfishness less personal but it is natural and no way a negative in normal individuals.
Do you assume that selfishness must always be carried to extremes? I realize it often is but don't believe it must be. Excess is the flaw, the mechanism isn't.
puc reducks

bieramar wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
Pa+mini+farm = Pennsylvania Mini [Goat] Farm.  I'll bet she raises them for sacrifice.

I hope she never sneaks over here.


If "here" means bumrejects I share your hope.  But if "here" means St. Augustine, she done snuck here many years ago.

Scared out of Pennsylvania by the 3-Mile Island meltdown next to her goat farm - SCOTUS refused to grant certiori on her personal damages lawsuit - she moved to Roswell NM (insert jokes here), then after a couple of years to Anastasia Island -- within a short stroll of our sterling spinner of genres, and also near the home of our infamous disbarred TN attorney, activist and recent jail resident.


Yes, by "here" I did mean BumRejects!

I'm recalling more and more about her... the PA to NM to FL story is one I remember (with hints).

Now, Bieramar, do tell why all those loonies seem to cluster in that area of Anastasia Island???   Is it The Harmonic Convergence Vortex?   Shocked  Very Happy
bieramar

puc reducks wrote:
bieramar wrote:
...Anastasia Island -- within a short stroll of our sterling spinner of genres, and also near the home of our infamous disbarred TN attorney, activist and recent jail resident.


Now, Bieramar, do tell why all those loonies seem to cluster in that area of Anastasia Island???   Is it The Harmonic Convergence Vortex?   Shocked  Very Happy


No, that HCV supposition is simply silly stuff.

Its obviously the convergence of the three Ley Lines in that triangle which attracts those wandering to a different drummer - now and over the past couple hundred years.
puc reducks

bieramar wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
bieramar wrote:
...Anastasia Island -- within a short stroll of our sterling spinner of genres, and also near the home of our infamous disbarred TN attorney, activist and recent jail resident.


Now, Bieramar, do tell why all those loonies seem to cluster in that area of Anastasia Island???   Is it The Harmonic Convergence Vortex?   Shocked  Very Happy


No, that HCV supposition is simply silly stuff.

Its obviously the convergence of the three Ley Lines in that triangle which attracts those wandering to a different drummer - now and over the past couple hundred years.


Puc rubs eyes, leans in to re-read Bieramar's last paragraph.  Still disbelieving, she says out loud to herself, "What??!  Key Limes???"   Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
scrutney

from ed's hate blog:
(i broke up the paragraphs for easier reading...and i added the bold)

Do the St. Augustine Record and Local Politicos Still Support Hate Speech?

In 1964, the ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD published hate speech, including advance announcements of KKK meetings. The Record ran the names and addresses of the courageous young people who were desegregating our local schools, thereby empowering the KKK and John Birch Society to stalk, intimidate, blacklist and fire their family members.

Never has the St. Augustine Record, or its current owner, MORRIS PUBLISHING, ever apologized for this hate. In sharp and marked contrast The Lexington, Ky. Herald-Leader has not only apologized for its racist, reactionary coverage – it ran articles detailing what really happened there, which the Herald-Leader never covered at the time.

In 2005, County Commissioners voted to allow an anti-Gay hate rally at our World Golf Village Convention Center, while the St. Johns County Sheriff's office threatened two local women with arrest for posting information about the event and inviting protests.

Look for more hate speech in today’s ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD, on the 43rd anniversary of the murder of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The RECORD printed a lying Ann Coulter column about President Barack Obama, one that portrays “liberals” as treasonous, and pretends that all “liberals” favor the government’s actions in Libya.

The ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD long published a hate website, called “Talk of the Town,” on which bigots spewed racist, sexist, misogynist and anti-Gay epithets (32 pages of hate when United States District Judge Henry Lee Adams, Jr. ordered Rainbow flags flown on our historic Bridge of Lions on June 7, 2005).

Some local politicians showed lack of research, or poor judgment, by giving significant encouragement to hate, including posting, both anonymously and under their names, on hate sites later operated by MICHAEL GOLD f/k/a “MICHAEL TOBIN,” who operates Historic City News and Shamefulpeople.com, and long operated plazabum.com, which was a forum for cyberbullying and cyberstalking.

Last week, the RECORD, acting as a bullet in the bigots’ gun, carried prominent articles bearing my name, without affording me an opportunity for full and fair comment. I reckon the RECORD still prints hate speech. See RFK’s speech (below), which expresses my thoughts on the issue.


posted by Ed Slavin
scrutney

a thoughtful and thought provoking column from historic city media...

with a preamble from ed's hate site:


ed's hate site wrote:
IN HAEC VERBA: HATE SITE OPERATOR MICHAEL GOLD (SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR'S POLITICAL OPERATIVE) OPPOSES HONORING REV. ANDREW YOUNG

MICHAEL GOLD, f/k/a "MICHAEL TOBIN," recipient of some $750,000 in no-bid contracts from SJCSO & SAPD, who raised $250,000 for SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR's 2004 campaign, and who operates several local hate websites intended to chill, coerce, restrain, intimidate and retaliate against free speech rights of St. Augustine residents. Here's the full text of GOLD's hate speech from a website that AMTRAK once mistook for actual journalism:


Historic City News will be watching tonight when agenda item 6-B(3) comes before the St. Augustine City Commission; a presentation by Jeremy Marquis, principal, Halback Design Group, Inc., relevant to the Andrew Young Crossing Monument design.

As editor, I have taken time to educate myself on the very recent attention being paid to Andrew Young; by the mayor, by city staff, and some commissioners.

Informally I asked a number of pedestrians in the Plaza this weekend what, if anything, they knew about Andrew Young. I was there for about 30 or 45 minutes, just after lunch. Respondents ranged in age from about 22 to 60. Responses were all over the board. I can tell you what happened; even though I don’t consider the results to be “scientific proof” of anything.

Much more than half of the people I asked, either said they “didn’t know”, or, they could not correctly identify him as either a Civil Rights leader, supporter of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., former Mayor, former Congressman, former Ambassador, pastor — I would have accepted a lot of answers.

Just for fun, I asked a few of them if they knew founded the city in 1565 — of the one’s that guessed, “Ponce de Leon” was the popular answer, so, there you go.

I am telling our readers this because in the 56 years of knowledge that I have of my home town, I have witnessed a lot of “revisionist history”. If you say something long enough to enough people who either are not affected, have their own personal or political agenda to advance, or simply don’t care one way or the other, it becomes something resembling truth. Save and except, of course, that it is not truth at all.

I believe that there is more to celebrate in St. Augustine than just our Spanish heritage. We also have a colorful French and British heritage as well as other nations across Europe. There is an unmistakable Cuban and Caribbean culture originating from Haiti, Puerto Rico, Jamaica and the barrier islands. We are truly a multi-cultural destination and should be promoting ourselves as such.

The Civil Rights movement also has a hook in the timeline of our history — a very minor one compared to the locations recognized by the National Park Service and many people’s memory. Can anyone knowledgeable of the movement argue that St. Augustine’s Plaza played a more significant role in the advancement of Civil Rights than either Selma, or Montgomery, or Birmingham?

Of course, these locations, although better known than St. Augustine, do not represent all of the sites important in the Civil Rights movement.

And, what are we making of this man, Andrew Young, who has recently produced a commercial documentary for sale on the Internet for $19.95? A documentary, in my opinion, that plays up his attack forty-seven years ago when he disobeyed orders from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., to shut down local demonstrators who, King feared could jeopardize passage of the Civil Rights Act. Instead, Young chose to cross into the path of an obviously hostile group of St. Augustine residents who resented out-of-town agitators. Andrew Young had no standing in St. Augustine, no family here; he has never lived in our city. While he was in the limelight, he pushed the envelope. As expected, the “envelope” pushed back. When he lost the limelight, he left.

Does that one incident make Andrew Young’s participation in the modern day Civil Rights movement more significant than the contribution of Ralph Abernathy, who was reportedly Dr. King’s closest associate, or Medgar Evers, or even Dr. King himself? If the City is paying to create a monument recognizing the significance of Andrew Young, who is still alive, why are they stepping over the graves of Evers, Abernathy or Dr. King?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which required equal access to public places and outlawed discrimination in employment, admittedly was a major victory of the black freedom struggle — but it was the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that was truly its crowning achievement.

The Selma-to-Montgomery March route is a National Historic Trail and is not listed in the National Register of Historic Places. The Lincolnville community, once known as “Little Africa”, is, and as such, receives recognition by the National Park Service as a significant location in the Civil Rights movement — not the Plaza de la Constitución.

I applaud the citizen’s who raised over $70,000 of private funds to donate the “Foot Soldiers” monument in the Plaza. The busts are nameless — representative of both black and white participants, old and young, who participated in furthering the cause of Civil Rights, including Mr. Young. What an appropriate recognition from a community who obviously made the effort for this recognition to occur.

The mayor’s well known and previously reported “new friendship” with Andrew Young, followed by the renaming of the intersection of two public streets to the name of Young’s commercial documentary, and now the use of public funds to memorialize a man who isn’t dead yet, is bad policy, sets a wrong precedent and is so outrageous as to be laughable — and yet the City Commission will likely approve it at tonight’s meeting.
scrutney

ed's got a national park petition linked to his hate site.
much to my surprise he's got 22 "signatures".

here's a list:

# 22 07:52, Apr 24, David Moore, CT

# 21 22:15, Apr 23, Peter Kralovic, Slovakia

# 20 05:59, Apr 23, Chris Ray, OH

# 19 13:21, Apr 22, Mary Truelove, IN

# 18 08:40, Apr 22, Taylor Moore, FL

# 17 08:26, Apr 22, Cathala Corine, France

# 16 03:42, Apr 22, Bettina Lorenz, Germany

# 15 22:29, Apr 21, alis castano, Canada

# 14 16:47, Apr 21, Nicole Weber, MD

# 12 13:30, Apr 21, William Gardner, MI

# 11 13:13, Apr 21, M I K E, NV

# 10 13:08, Apr 21, Norm Conrad, WA

# 9 13:06, Apr 21, Christine Co, Canada

# 8 13:06, Apr 21, Sue Harrington, CA

# 7 12:53, Apr 21, Ineke Top, Netherlands

# 6 12:52, Apr 21, june bullied, Canada

# 5 12:49, Apr 21, Stefanie Wachowitz, Germany

# 4 12:18, Apr 21, Cristian Prisacariu, Norway

# 3 11:54, Apr 21, Margaret Polino, NY

# 2 11:39, Apr 21, vecie yasinsac, FL

# 1 11:32, Apr 21, Toni Colina, Philippines

11 americans, 10 people of various nationalities...and 1 dutch person (ineke?)

bieramar

Slavin's proposal for a National Historical Park/Seashore/Scenic Coastal Parkway is one (and not the only one) of his ideas I support 100%.  Details of the Draft Legislation: http://www.staugustgreen.com/draft-legislation.html

But the only Petition I find on his site includes a National Civil Rights Museum, along with the Park; and I do not support such a Museum -- so I won't sign that Petition.  

(I do support a City/County/private sector-supported Civil Rights Historical Museum if it would cover the entire unique St. Augustine experience through the changing Spanish civil rights laws/practices, the first free black colony, British law, independent Florida, territorial, then U.S., then Confederate practices, etc.
St. Augustine is truly unique in the history of civil rights in North America, but it is not solely a U.S./federal government issue, hence not a National Museum - the museum should be extra-national.)
scrutney

ya gotta wonder how our dynamic duo of activists (punch and judy) feel about being on the hook for $60,000 in court costs in the morris publishing group affair.

you can view the court's decision and documents here

a prominent local citizen kindly published the documents on face book because he obviously feels that government -in it's judicial capacity- operates best when it operates in the sunshine.

word round the campfire is that ed is setting up a lemonade and legal advice stand on a1a to raise money for the legal fees.

"one giant cup of lemonade?...that'll be $30,000 dollars....and a word of advice, sport....lashon hora ain't too cool."
bieramar

I'm locked out of the Facebook link, but here is HistoricCity.com's view:
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Slavin's debt to Morris Publishing

In a five-page petition filed this week in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Georgia, Historic City News has learned that self proclaimed "lay advocate" and disbarred Tennessee lawyer, Edward Adelbert Slavin, Jr., is now demanding a jury trial.

With motivations the Court says did not give them standing to intervene, Slavin and his employer, Judith Seraphin, attempted, unsuccessfully, to disrupt the orderly bankruptcy re-organization of Morris Publishing last year; his ill-advised actions leave him owing nearly $60k in restitution.

In a fifteen-page order signed by US District Judge Honorable J. Randal Hall, the Court iterates paragraph after paragraph of inappropriate behavior amounting to the "filing of a frivolous appeal" by Slavin - leading to the conclusion that damages and costs would be levied against him.

Slavin claims Morris' attempts to recover their legal fees, pursuant to the judgment against him, amounts to a "SLAPP" lawsuit - rather than an effort to recover from their injuries.

Slavin wants the Court to vacate the judgment awarded against him March 28, 2011, deny Morris Publishing the right to recover the legal expenses caused by Slavin's misuse of the Court, allow unnamed "civil rights groups" to file briefs in the matter, allow Slavin 60 days to file counterclaims, order the US Trustee to investigate alleged abuse of the Court by Morris, to order Morris to show why they should not be sanctioned.

Facsimiles of the Court documents are linked here: http://www.historiccity.com/2011/...ing-59772-slavin-jury-trial-14347

=== on another matter ===

Although Slavin was recently arrested (articles in both the Record and Historic City) on an outstanding Tennessee Court Order requiring the payment of a small fine and a short incarceration, he was immediately released as such a minor Misdemeanor case does not justify the expenses of extradition.  

If Slavin returns to the Tennessee jurisdiction he would be subject to arrest and jailing.
scrutney

posted on ed's hate site without comment:


Tom Zeller, Jr./Huffington Post: KOCH INDUSTRIES' SLAPP SUIT Againt Claimate Activists Dismissed

Koch Industries Climate Change Spoof No Grounds For Suit, Judge Finds

A U.S. district court in Utah effectively shut down an effort by Koch Industries, the Kansas-based industrial conglomerate whose namesake brothers are vocal skeptics of global warming, to unmask a group of anonymous climate activists who spoofed the company in a mock press release last December.

The fake statement, posted to a hoax Web site similar to Koch Industries' own, purported to be an awakening of sorts, in which the company admitted the error of its ways on climate change and committed to cease funding of groups seeking to undermine prevailing climate science.

Unamused, Koch sued for a variety of claims, including infringement of trademark, unfair competition and cybersquatting, among others. Koch had also sought to serve subpoenas on the company that hosted the sham website in order to obtain the identities of the activists.

The defendants, represented by the advocacy group Public Citizen, sought to have the subpoenas quashed, the activists' identities protected and the lawsuit -- along with all of its claims -- dismissed.

On Monday, U.S. District Judge Dale A. Kimball granted all three requests.

"We're gratified that the court affirmed our clients' First Amendment right to engage in anonymous political speech and rejected Koch's baseless legal theories," said Deepak Gupta, Public Citizen's lead attorney, in an emailed statement. "This lawsuit was nothing but a well-financed attempt by Koch to bully its political opponents into submission. The court was right to stop this lawsuit in its tracks."

In a follow-up phone call, Mr. Gupta said that Koch almost certainly obtained some information on the activists though the subpoenas it served to the hosting company, which complied before Public Citizen became involved in the case. But Koch is now enjoined from disclosing whatever information it had managed to gather.

"We are disappointed by the judge's decision and continue to stand by our earlier statements about this case," said Melissa Cohlmia, a spokeswoman for Koch Industries, in an email message. The company, she added, was reviewing its options.


scrut: i guess it's alright for some people to engage in first amendment protected anonymous political speech as long as ed agrees with them.
bieramar

I see persons shouting "free speech" - while simultaneously attempting to imprison it with conditions, e.g. can't be anonymous, can't anger others, etc. - much like persons claiming a "sense of humor" - while simultaneously getting all 'ad hominem' and vengeful when they are laughed at, ridiculed or hoisted on their own petards.

Free speech is a two-edged sword.

I'm more interested in the Koch brothers' efforts to finance their own free speech while attempting to stifle others' than I am in Slavin's anti-plazabum rants.

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May 10, 2011

FSU professors spark debate over donor money  

Ana Rebecca Rodriguez
News Editor FSUNews.com

Two FSU professors recently revived a debate concerning conservative billionaire Charles G. Koch's 2008 agreement with Florida State University, a contract they called "an affront to academic freedom."

The allegations first appeared in a "My View" letter written by the professors and published by the Tallahassee Democrat on May 1. According to Ray Bellamy, a practicing physician who is also a faculty member at FSU's College of Medicine, and Kent S. Miller, professor emeritus of psychology at FSU, the involvement of corporations, in this case, that of the Koch brothers, means that they are allowed to further their own agendas.

"Recently a number of corporations have focused on universities in order to further a political ideology of free markets and diminished government regulation," read the letter by Bellamy and Miller. "They are less interested in creating new knowledge than in getting their message out and improving their bottom line."

According to Bellamy and Miller, the foundation signed a memorandum in 2008 with FSU in which they agreed to a proposed budget of $6.5 million over a period of six years. Most of the effort, they agreed, would be located in the economics department. The provisions outlined in the agreement entailed the hiring of five professors and, among other staff, establishing a program for the Study of Political Economy and Free Enterprise (SPEFE) and a program for Excellence in Economic Education (EEE), as well as the development of educational programs for undergraduate students.

The problem, according to Bellamy and Miller, is that the agreement comes with several "strings attached" that they consider "seriously damaging to academic freedom."

The agreement with the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation specifies that an advisory committee appointed by Koch will be in charge of deciding which candidates should be considered for hire.

The Advisory Board of SPSFC and EEE is allowed the opportunity to review all publicly provided material submitted by applicants for the professorship positions and determine which candidates qualify for funding. Under the agreement, no professorship position or any other affiliated program or position will receive funding without the review and approval of the board.

Traditionally, university donors are given little opportunity to provide input in the hiring of personnel. Under this agreement, however, Koch maintains more control than is usually allowed, with the power to withdraw funding if the foundation is not happy with choices made or if those hired do not meet particular objectives set in place by Koch himself during annual evaluations.

The amount of input that is said to have been granted to Koch under the agreement is causing a rift between supporters and individuals like Bellamy and Miller, who believe that one of the hallmarks of academic freedom is the ability for faculty and officials to hire professors without outside influence.

In his own "My View" article published by the Democrat on May 8, David W. Rasmussen, dean of the College of Social Sciences, said he defended the deal.
"Kent Miller and Ray Bellamy's 'My View' seems to place high value on academic freedom and spirited debate," wrote Rasmussen. "The writers indicate that they value 'the search for truth,' but they use innuendo and distort reality, perhaps due to their own ideological bias."

According to Rasmussen, Bellamy and Miller incorrectly criticize FSU for entering into agreement with the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation and the BB&T Charitable Foundation. In Rasmussen's view, the agreement has allowed the university to hire professors, assist the economics department in attracting graduate students and created new courses for hundreds of students during a time when FSU faced severe budget cuts.

"Miller and Bellamy incorrectly assert that FSU's economics department struck 'an agreement with the Charles G. Koch Foundation,' " wrote Rasmussen. "In fact, the agreement was among Florida State University, the Florida State University Foundation and the Koch Foundation. This agreement was carefully vetted by the university's senior administration and attorneys to ensure that no decision-making processes at the university would be compromised."

In 2009, Koch rejected almost 60 percent of the faculty's suggestions during the first round of hiring before he ultimately agreed on two candidates.

Koch, part-owner of Koch Industries, the second-largest private U.S. corporation as the maker of products such as Brawny paper towels and Dixie cups, made the pledge in 2008 with little public controversy. As a businessman, Koch is known for his conservative nature and as an outspoken opponent of government interference in business, and is estimated to be worth somewhere near $22 billion.

Although most universities accept donor money, they typically have strict policies that limit donors' influence. Yale University, in a publicly known occurrence, once returned a $20 million donation when the donor demanded veto power over appointments. FSU is not the only school to receive funding from the Koch brothers. Koch's foundation, which is now partnering with FSU, is one of several not-for-profit foundations spearheaded by both Koch and his brother, David. According to reports, the aim of their widespread foundations is to "advance their belief, through think tanks, political organizations and academia, that government taxes and regulations impinge on prosperity."

FSU also entered into an agreement with BB&T, who provided funding for a course on business ethics and economics. According to Bellamy and Miller, Guilford College accepted a 10-year, $500,000 grant from BB&T, with the understanding that an upper-level interdisciplinary course required the assignment of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged in its entirety, and the promise that the college (until the year 2019) give a copy of the book to every student who majors either in business or economics when that student enters his or her junior year. (Rand's novel depicts a society's collapse following government encroachment on free enterprise.)

Bellamy and Miller concluded their letter by calling on the FSU Faculty Senate to keep a more watchful eye.
"If things have indeed turned out well for FSU it has to have involved some skillful maneuvering," said Bellamy and Miller. "From our reading of the memorandum, the Koch Foundation has some say over who is hired from the grant and what will be taught. The Faculty Senate should be watching the store with an eye to identifying and making transparent donor efforts to influence the curriculum and faculty selection."

Rasmussen, on the other hand, said that Bellamy and Miller should reconsider their allegations. "Miller and Bellamy can take comfort in the fact that the university duly performed its due diligence in entering these partnerships," said Rasmussen. "In turn, funding from the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, BB&T Charitable Foundation and DeVoe Moore have no doubt enhanced the education of thousands of FSU students. We should always seek to enhance academic freedom by being aware that bias, both external and internal, can corrupt the free inquiry of ideas."
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For more on this story as it develops, keep checking back with fsunews.com.
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Source: http://fsunews.com
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Where is FSUWriter anyway?
scrutney

bier wrote:
Where is FSUWriter anyway?


i don't think fsuwriter even knows we exist...i'll fix that in a moment.
i found his email addy...and am "fixin" to give him a shout.
bieramar

Still chuckling at "plazabum.com will continue to be the last bastion of free speech left in St. Augustine" and puc reducks comment "mustering forces for local elections" (cf. the announcement of the new plazabum.com on the "what's going on" thread in the Local politics Forum), I thought of Ed Slavin's comments in the Record following the shooting of Representative Giffords. The article had 73 comments in the Record, and the thread Mac IX began here at bumrejects.com went 16 pages.

--- Slavin's published comments, which then were quickly "unpublished" by the Record ---

WHAT WE NEED IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT HATRED
Unpublished
By Ed Slavin | 01/11/11 - 01:33 pm

<snip CC&Ped reminiscence from a journalist distributed by the AP>

In 1972, the Watergate scandal broke. I was fifteen years old. I watched the scandal unfold, read the New York Times every day and watched the Senate Watergate hearings on TV. Slowly, like all other thinking Americans, came to the conclusion that President Richard Milhous Nixon was a crook.

The lessons that I learned watching Watergate shaped the rest of my life - holding governments and corporations accountable to the people and using journalism and law to do it.

I watched Richard Nixon resign and leave office in disgrace in August 1974.

Within days I was enrolled at Georgetown University, where I hoped to watch the criminal trial of Richard Nixon.
There I heard Ralph Nader speak to Georgetown freshmen in Gaston Hall, answering all our questions until the last students left.

The next day, I volunteered to work for Senator Edward M. Kennedy (at age 17½) and worked for him and three Senators, earning the nickname of "Fast Eddie"¯ in Kennedy's office for the speed with which I perambulated about the Senate, U.S. Capitol and environs and performed errands.

A few weeks later, our new President, Gerald Rudolph Ford, pardoned disgraced, resigned ex-president Richard Milhous Nixon.
I found out about the Nixon pardon when one of the maids in our dormitory walked in my room and told me about it. I was so angry I punched the wall by my desk, next to the color photo of Robert Kennedy.
Punching the wall hurt - it was made of actual plaster (I was a "hick from the sticks" of Southern New Jersey, where our walls were made of wallboard).

Our country was hurt by Ford's pardon, which functioned as a never-go-to-jail card, and allowed a criminal politician to avoid a criminal trial, without Nixon ever confessing his guilt.

I watched as anti-Gay haters (like Jerry Falwell) announced a "30 years war against homosexuality,"¯ attempting to declare 10% of Americans were immoral and persona non grata, enacting Nuremberg-style laws (including the Defense of Marriage Act and the recently repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"¯ law).

When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court, Jerry Falwell and other haters opposed her, because she might be pro-choice. Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Arizona) said at a public forum that "every good Christian ought to line up to kick Barry Goldwater in the ass." Rep. Morris K. Udall responded by passed note, "he'd just turn the other cheek."

I watched as President Ronald Reagan attacked civil rights and held his first campaign appearance in 1980 in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a KKK stronghold where civil rights workers Cheney, Schwerner and Goodman were arrested on bogus speeding charges, released by the local sheriff and murdered by his friends in the KKK.

I've watched as organized bigots,
funded by right-wing oil billionaires, have attacked every progressive politician, targeting them.

I've watched as St. Johns County Sheriff DAVID SHOAR issued t-shirts encouraging violence against anti-war protesters (although he later apologized to me and our community, the t-shirt speaks volumes about the quality of debate in our county).

I've watched local hate websites here in St. Augustine and St. Johns County - which former St. Johns County Commission Chairman Ben Rich told Folio Weekly is "one of the last bastions of the Ku Klux Klan."¯
Two of these local websites -- operated by Sheriff DAVID SHOAR's good friend and fundraiser, MICHAEL GOLD f/k/a "MICHAEL TOBIN" have targeted people for supporting a national park and seashore, opposing illegal dumping, and supporting honest, open, government. These websites are racist, sexist, misogynist and homophobic.
While one of these hate websites is now gone (www.plazabum.com), one of them remains (www.shamefulpeople.com), shamefully slamming good and decent people for trying to improve our community.

These websites are populated by foaming haters, whom I have called the "Anonymice."¯  They are the "aginnners."¯ I first heard the term "aginners"¯ in 1981, from Anderson County, Tennessee County Court Clerk Kenneth Caldwell (now deceased).

As Douglas Bloomfield wrote about his late father in the Jerusalem Post in 2009: "To him many of the hate radio voices of today were echoes of one from his youth, Father Charles Coughlin, the rabid anti-Semitic radio preacher who praised Hitler and accused FDR of 'leaning toward international socialism' [sound familiar?] and being a tool of the Jews."
Dad didn't listen to talk radio; it just made him angry, he said, and he thought most of those on it were "stupid." He said people like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and their ilk reminded him of Father Coughlin. He called them "aginners."  They don't stand for anything, they just want to tear things and people down and tell you what they're against, he liked to say. "They're aginners, not builders," he explained.  "It's always easier to be an aginner."  The aginners don't have to take any responsibility, they don't have to solve problems. Actually they prefer to create problems for others, he'd say. Often the aginners are haters, racists, elitists. Or they are stirring up rage for purely mercenary reasons.

NO PARTY has a monopoly on aginners, although the conservatives appear intent on cornering the market these days and have the greatest access to the mass media - despite absurd claims about the "liberal media."  Race baiting is a popular focus for hate-talkers like Beck, who has accused the president of hating white people, and Limbaugh, who is alerting the nation to the looming crisis created by two black teens beating up a white kid on a Missouri school bus.  "When it came to politics, my father and I found little in common, but there was one thing we could agree on - the aginners. Dad would have agreed with The New York Times's resident conservative columnist David Brooks, who said Beck and Limbaugh, with their agenda of fear and hate instead of ideas and policy, aren't going to take over the country, but they are taking over the Republican Party, and that's not good for the country."

The aginners don't like the fact that we've elected an African-American President (and that he's doing a good job). The aginners don't like the fact that we've elected an African-American Chairman of the St. Johns County Commission (and that he's doing a fine job). The aginners don't like the fact that we've proposed a St. Augustine National Historical Park and Seashore, or that we speak out at local government meetings without having asked the KKK's permission.

Like KKK websites, these local hate websites have solicited violence, blacklisting and hatred, with MICHAEL GOLD writing (on Christmas Eve 2007) how he hoped a local lady suffering from cancer died a horrible painful death.

In Arizona, these haters have reached a fever pitch, and Arizona is becoming, as Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said, "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."¯
"It's time for us to do some soul-searching,"¯ Sheriff Dupnik said.

I reckon Sheriff Dupnik is correct.
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat, won re-election over a Republican Tea Party opponent backed by Sarah Palin, who urged that Giffords was someone who needed to be taken out! "Don't retreat, instead- RELOAD"¯ was how Sarah Palin introduced a map targeting 20 officeholders for their support of health care reform, targeting GIffords' Congresional [sic] district with rifle cross-hairs. Palin's staff now claims that the cross-hairs were "surveyor's marks."¯ That dog won't hunt.

According to Desert Living Today, quoting Gawker, "Giffords' Tea Party opponent in the 2010 election, Jesse Kelly, went even further with the violent rhetoric. Kelly's campaign held an event called "Get on Target for Victory in November." Description: "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."¯

After Gabrielle Giffords was shot down on Saturday at a Tucson Safeway supermarket, Sarah Palin wrote, "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."¯

"Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue,"¯ as Francois de la Rochefoucauld said.

Lord Byron wrote, "hypocrisy is the most difficult and nerve-racking vice that any man can pursue; it needs an unceasing vigilance and a rare detachment of spirit. It cannot, like adultery or gluttony, be practiced at spare moments; it is a whole-time job."

Our Founders pledged "our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"¯ to protecting liberty in our Declaration of Independence.

Some haters would like to read out of the Constitution Hispanics, African-Americans, women, poor people and Gays and Lesbians. These haters are other-directed and would if empowered vote to protect only corporations' rights (like House Speaker John Boehner).

Haters want to divide us between "us and them" as Bill Clinton once said, "they're 'themming' us to death."¯
They'd like America the way Dick Cheney wanted it "afraid, very afraid!"¯
Authoritarians would like to rule the world and destroy our democracy.

Senator Robert F. Kennedy said in South Africa June 6, 1966, in the face of the racist Apartheid government there: "Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation ... It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

Real Americans agree with the late Senator Robert Kennedy, who said in the Indianapolis ghetto 43 years ago this April: "Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people."¯
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Source: Google Cache Archive

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Incidently, wandering OT a bit, there currently is another poster at staugustine.com who is "unpublished" after each post critizing alleged corruption in county government.  Nic is "thetruthbetold" and if anyone wants to read his posts PM or e-mail me at bieramar@webtv.net .

The only other currently "unpublished" poster at the Record is "newspicstaugustine", and likewise I can provide posts if anyone is interested.
scrutney

just once i'd like to read something by ed where he didn't drop a name, or bend a quote from some prominent person...

i did however, like this one:


lord byron wrote:
"hypocrisy is the most difficult and nerve-racking vice that any man can pursue; it needs an unceasing vigilance and a rare detachment of spirit. It cannot, like adultery or gluttony, be practiced at spare moments; it is a whole-time job."


you betcha.
bieramar

Yes - I liked all the hypocrisy quotes.  

In fact after reading the piece I went into the kitchen and counted all my pots and kettles.

One of the never-forgotten principles from my early days in psychology and counseling is that an obsession with a characteristic perceived in another (e.g. hypocrisy, lying, womanizing, cheating etc.) often is an indication of "denial" in oneself.

Not 100% of the time; but when someone pushes my buttons and riles me instead of entertaining me, I stop and examine within to see if the behaviour or topic is an unexamined or uncorrected flaw in myself.
bieramar

Plenty of battles have taken place in the nation's oldest city, and a new one has erupted. This time its not on the streets but on the Internet.

Filling a void

St. Augustine is served by one major daily paper, The St. Augustine Record. On any given day, pull up the Record's website and look at any story, it won't be long before you come across comments attacking the papers reporting. It not a problem unique to The Record, all newspapers have critics and fans - but in the nation's oldest city - the critics are often more outspoken than the fans.

Feeling underserved by the citys' only major source of news, many have taken to the internet to present their own version of the news in the form of blogs.

Blogging 101

Merriam-Webster defines a blog as "a website that contains an online personal journal with reflections, comments, and often hyperlinks provided by the writer; also: the contents of such a site."¯

Two of the more prominent bloggers that have emerged in St. Augustine are Michael Gold and Ed Slavin. Both frequently take very different sides on the issues and both are frequently at war with each other on the internet.

Historic City News

Gold is perhaps best known for the website Historic City News. Most of the site's content consists of press releases and Gold's opinions.

Gold, communications director for the local Republican Party, likes to present himself as a journalist. Many of his stories begin, "local reporters with Historic City news":

But he makes little effort to avoid conflicts of interest and apparently even less effort to be sure what he's publishing is the truth.

Historic City New's own terms of service make clear the information there may not be reliable: "HistoricCity.com does not verify, endorse, or take responsibility for the accuracy, currency, completeness or quality of the content contained in this site," the terms state. "The information contained in this website is taken from sources deemed reliable; the accuracy and completeness of which Historic City News does not control and can not guarantee."¯

The Society of Professional Journalists' Code of Ethics, which is embraced by thousands of journalists worldwide, suggests a little different approach to reporting the news:

"Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error,"¯ the code begins. "Deliberate distortion is never permissible."¯

Ed Slavin

Ed Slavin, a community activist in St. Augustine is a frequent critic of Gold and is the target of criticism himself.

Slavin runs his own blog, cleanupcityofstaugustine.blogspot.com

On his website, Slavin has accused Gold of operating shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com - sites which he calls "hate sites."  He has also published photos of Gold overlaid with an image of men in white hoods - presumably KKK members.

Slavin has also accused St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar of helping facilitate "hate sites,"¯ and in a series of scores of emails beginning last fall he demanded Shoar ask Gold to remove content critical of a local attorney from his sites. In some of those emails Shoar indicated he would see what he could do.

Public vs. Private

The Society of Professional Journalists urges reporters to "Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention,"¯ the code states.
"Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone's privacy."¯

The line between public and private is often blurry, but Michael Gold seems to apply a different standard to himself and the people he writes about.

"I'm not a public figure,"¯ said Gold. "Im not surrendering my private [business.] -¯
"I don't want you publishing personal details of my life."

But Gold, a former candidate for the St. Augustine City Commission and the current communications chairman of the Republican Club of Greater St. Augustine, has not hesitated to attack others who have a greater right to privacy than he does.

In a Jan. 12 Historic City story, Gold reported not on the St. Augustine City Commission meeting, but on a private citizen who spoke during the public comment segment of the meeting.

Maureen Ortagus, a local activist, had questioned the financial credibility of Donald Wallis, chairman of the First America foundation.

Gold's story focused on Ortagus. In a total non-sequiter, he published that she had previously filed for bankruptcy.

Kelly McBride, senior faculty for ethics, reporting and writing at the Poynter Institute said Gold has a right to publish whatever he wants but there could be consequences.

"Free speech allows him to say whatever he wants to say, but he is civilly liable for everything he publishes," McBride said.
You can libel private citizens even if what you say is true, she said.

Gold was defeated in his run for the St. Augustine City Commission by Bill Leary. The seat was non-partisian but at a Republican Club of Greater St. Augustine meeting before the election, Gold emphasized that he was a Republican.
He used HistoricCity.com to host campaign advertisements for himself and others, and at one point wrote an "editorial"¯ critical of his opponent on the site .

McBride said Gold can do whatever he wants with his website, and while it may not be illegal, it was unethical.
"He's not embracing mainstream industry standards.:¯

Since his defeat, Gold no longer has campaign ads of himself on his site. Instead the website is sponsored by The St. Augustine Tea Party.

Shameful People and Plaza Bums

Gold denied running two other sites - shamefulpeople.com and plazabum.com - but said that his company, Historic City Companies, hosts those sites. He has no idea who runs either of them, he said.
Shamefulpeople.com is registered through a proxy service, in order to grant anonymity to the owner. A news feed from HistoricCity.com is prominently featured at the bottom of each page at Shamefulpeople.com

The site is a place for attacking the private lives of people that speak during public comment.

In a 2009 someone posted a story attacking local attorney Jamin Rubenstein after he spoke at a City of St. Augustine meeting in favor of Ed Slavin's project staugustgreen.com

Instead of talking about the project or the meeting, the author of the post focused entirely on Rubenstein's previous arrest for a DUI.

Enter the Sheriff

Gold worked on St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar's campaign team when he ran for office in 2004.
Shoar told the Underground Gold was just one of hundreds of volunteers that helped him on his campaign.
"I met Michael a month before I ran for office,"¯ said Shoar. "I don't know Mike that well."
Shoar said he doesn't know who owns shamefulpeople.com or plazabums.com and said he's never read them.

But Slavin is unconvinced.
In a lengthy March 28 e-mail to government officials and members of the media, Slavin accused the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office of " a significant encouragement of local hate websites  operated by Michael Gold."
Slavin's email barrage - which included several repeated public records requests - continued until March 30, when less than an hour after sending another email to the Sheriff, Slavin was arrested.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. Chuck Mulligan said the Sheriff's Office was conducting an investigation with regard to cyber stalking when investigtors came upon an active warrant for Slavin. Citing an open investigation, Mulligan refused to say whether the Sheriff was the victim of the cyber stalking or to provided more details about the investigation.

"We were looking into a preliminary cyber stalking case which led us to the warrant,"¯ said Mulligan. "We activated the warrant - it was a national pick up warrant - and the marshall service served the warrant."¯
Mulligan said Slavin was held at the St. Johns County jail in a holding cell and during that time a Supreme Court justice from Tennessee - where the warrant allegedly originated - contacted St. Johns County.

"She wanted to hold a special session and asked that he be released,"¯ Mulligan told The Underground in April.
Mulligan went on to say the justice was planning on having a special session of the court to discuss Slavin's arrest and possible extradition.

According to David Stewart, Slavin's attorney, Tennessee had no warrant of any kind that was outstanding for Slavin.
Slavin has a history with the state - he practiced law in Tennessee until he was disbarred in 2007.
According to a June 2007 issue of Washington Lawyer, - The Supreme Court of Tennessee disbarred Slavin for engaging in misrepresentation and deceit to the courts and his clients; failing to preserve client property; charging excessive fees; violating court orders; demonstrating incompetence and lack of diligence; and abusing the legal process by habitually violating the Tennessee rules of professional conduct with regard to harassment and intimidation of officers of the court and opposing counsel and the filing of abusive, insulting, untrue, and unprofessional statements regarding judges, litigants, and opposing counsel."¯

"Its chilling and out of the ordinary that they would do this to him,"¯ Stewart said, of the arrest in St. Augustine.

Laura Click, public information officer for the Tennessee Supreme Court, said none of what was told to The St. Augustine Underground about Slavin was true.
"The supreme court did not issue a warrant,"¯ she said. "If there was one [for Slavin] it wasn't from us."¯
Click said the Supreme Court has not taken any action and at this time had no plans to regarding Slavin.

Sheriff's Office General Counsel Matthew Cline disputed Click's account and said the Sheriff's Office had seen the warrant. Deputy Chief U.S. Marshall Pete Cajigal said the Marshall Service performed its "due diligence"¯ before arresting Slavin at the Sheriff's Office's request, but that the Marshalls had simply delivered Slavin to county custody at the Sheriff's Office's request.

It seems doubtful Slavin will ever have his day in court, and his emails to the Sheriff have resumed, as have Gold's online attacks on Slavin.

So the war continues!
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By Shane Griffis
mail@staugustineunderground.net

James Alexander Bonus, Adam Hunt and Sara Kaufman contributed to this report.
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Source: http://staugustineunderground.net...-in-the-nations-oldest-city/1908/
puc reducks

Btavo, Bieramar, for finding and posting this essential piece of information.

I believe your post should have its own thread.

Would you please consider doing that?  Copying what you've got here and pasting into a new topic w/new subject heading?

Yes, I think it is that important, given all the crap in this town.
puc reducks

Just read this; Bieramar said,

"One of the never-forgotten principles from my early days in psychology and counseling is that an obsession with a characteristic perceived in another (e.g. hypocrisy, lying, womanizing, cheating etc.) often is an indication of 'denial' in oneself."


I've known this to be true, also.  But by looking within after particularly harsh words or thoughts--and learning that what I have just railed about is found within me. That those recriminations of others often are what are  truest about oneself.
bieramar

Short and sweet

Letter: All-embracing 'park' -- best gift for the 450th

May 27, 2011  

By  ED SLAVIN      Copyright 2011 . All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.   St. Augustine Record

I think its the shortest - and to the points - letter I've read from Slavin through the years.  But since the Record has moved their copyright warning to the top of their articles I won't CC&P it.

Here's the link:
http://staugustine.com/opinions/2...ll-embracing-park-best-gift-450th
jasmine

bieramar wrote:

Not 100% of the time; but when someone pushes my buttons and riles me instead of entertaining me, I stop and examine within to see if the behaviour or topic is an unexamined or uncorrected flaw in myself.


That is a hard one to learn, but I definitely have learned it.  So, now, I believe, I am always wrong  Sad  

I do look inside myself to see what has irritated me and usually do come up with my own flaw.
coebul

jasmine wrote:
bieramar wrote:

Not 100% of the time; but when someone pushes my buttons and riles me instead of entertaining me, I stop and examine within to see if the behaviour or topic is an unexamined or uncorrected flaw in myself.


That is a hard one to learn, but I definitely have learned it.  So, now, I believe, I am always wrong  Sad  

I do look inside myself to see what has irritated me and usually do come up with my own flaw.
I generally do the same Introspection.  Then usually come to the conclusion the other person is full of shit.
jasmine

coebul wrote:
jasmine wrote:
bieramar wrote:

Not 100% of the time; but when someone pushes my buttons and riles me instead of entertaining me, I stop and examine within to see if the behaviour or topic is an unexamined or uncorrected flaw in myself.


That is a hard one to learn, but I definitely have learned it.  So, now, I believe, I am always wrong  Sad  

I do look inside myself to see what has irritated me and usually do come up with my own flaw.
I generally do the same Introspection.  Then usually come to the conclusion the other person is full of shit.


Then I end up with no friends, since most people are full of shit.
bieramar

Comment: "I generally do the same Introspection.  Then usually come to the conclusion the other person is full of shit."

Responding comment:
"Then I end up with no friends, since most people are full of shit."

And the next step in the process is the key one.

Finding the flaw - to which I objected in another - in myself, does not excuse the other any more than it excuses me.  The flaw still exists, a/k/a "the other person is full of shit."

What I've discovered is that I also am full of shit, and my own flaw should not be excused anymore than the other's.

THAT is the self knowledge achieved, and a good person than makes changes to eliminate that flaw - in lieu of, or in addition to, urging the other to make changes.

We all are human, thus we all have flaws.  Until we recognize and change our own, preaching to others (in re the same flaws) is perceived as hypocrisy, and neither we nor the others usually change.

A corollary of finding insights in ourselves is that we no longer expect or insist that our friendships are only with people who think/believe the same as we do.  

All our friends have flaws, as do all our enemies, as do we.  None should be excused, but also none should be used as a prerequisite barring communication or friendship.
scrutney

the other shoe drops.

a letter to the editor in the washington post:
Better national parks? Try privatizing them.
Published: July 30

David Alpert was spot on in lambasting the “bureaucratic mentality at the National Park Service” [“The Grand Canyon or Logan Circle? It’s all the same to the Park Service,” Local Opinions, July 24].

The National Park Service has a government-backed monopoly on managing its parks. So it has little incentive to provide quality service or even eco-friendly amenities such as farmers markets or bike rentals. But to rectify “this prime example of government failure,” Mr. Alpert mistakenly called on the Obama administration and Congress to intervene. Why should we expect the government to solve a problem that the government created?

Instead of remaining a lumbering Leviathan, the Park Service should embrace market principles and privatize the parks. Environmental nonprofits such as the Nature Conservancy and the Sierra Club have far better records in conservation and fostering partnerships with local communities. Since these privately managed parks wouldn’t have the luxury of using other people’s money, they would need to accommodate consumer demand.  

In addition, since these lands would be managed by environmentalists in the private sector, there would be little risk of regulatory capture by special interests, which was all too common in the Reagan and George W. Bush administrations.

Nick Sibilla, Portland, Ore.
coebul

Nick Sibilla wrote:
In addition, since these lands would be managed by environmentalists in the private sector, there would be little risk of regulatory capture by special interests, which was all too common in the Reagan and George W. Bush administrations.

Nick Sibilla, Portland, Ore.
Managed by Environmentalists in the private sector???????????

If our National parks were managed by Environmentalists in to private sector they would rent you high power binoculars to be used from rented stands so you could view "your" mountains in pristine condition from afar.  

I actually would support "private" management of our public lands.  But Environmentalists in the private sector is an oxymoron!

Leave it to some idiot in Portland OR to put forth such a ridicules idea.
scrutney

coebul wrote:

If our National parks were managed by Environmentalists in to private sector they would rent you high power binoculars to be used from rented stands so you could view "your" mountains in pristine condition from afar.  



if our parks were managed by environmentalists, you would have to purchase carbon credits to smoke a butt in the park.

imagine st. george street run by a cadre of environmental carpetbaggers, if one of our local wacktivists has his way.


Quote:
I actually would support "private" management of our public lands.  But Environmentalists in the private sector is an oxymoron!

Leave it to some idiot in Portland OR to put forth such a ridicules idea.


oregon doesn't have a monopoly on ridiculous ideas, coe.
coebul

scrutney wrote:

oregon doesn't have a monopoly on ridiculous ideas, coe.
LOL I never said it did.  I said

Coebul wrote:
Leave it to some idiot in Portland OR to put forth such a ridicules idea.


You don't live here.  Portland on the one hand screams for renewable energy pushing wind turbines on the one hand and then sues the developers to make sure they don't happen in OR.   Other developers plan to bring in LNG (liquified natural gas) one of the cleaners forms of fossil fuels and those liberal naturalist groups sue and shut the program down.  

They work to protect the salmon runs want to take out the damns on the Columbia river in the process but turn around a stop the killing of Seal that sit just out side the salmon ladders and kill 10s of thousands of returning salmon.  

They close off roads to protect streams that empty into lakes behind 3 dams all in the name maintain cool water to aid the salmon runs.  There hasn't been a salmon run on that river in 50 years.  

The environmentalists are a pack of flaming liberals that can't see the forest for the trees.    We may not have a monopoly, but we sure do have more then our fair share of them..
puc reducks

Did anyone watch City Commission on Aug. 8th?

During Public Comments, Ed Slavin took to calling La Plaza de la Constitucion (originally known as Plaza des Armas) "the Slave Market Square."

Now he is re-writing our history in his zeal to get THE civil rights museum here, as well as his "emerald necklace" of parks.

We are good enough as we ARE.

No reason to lie about our history!
bieramar

The "slave market" moniker for the Plaza has been the vulgar description - popularized in travel guides, postcards, horse and buggy drivers etc. for more than a century - Slavin is guilty of continuing the misinformation, but he's not the original history re-writer.

And it is a believable story, especially to anyone reading the plaque at the southeast corner of the "market" area at the east end of the Plaza.  The plaque - if it is still there - documents the date and escape and name of a slave from the market, who had jumped into the Matanzas River and swam away.

And as has been documented slaves were sold from the government house at the west end of the Plaza at one time.

And during one period of Spanish occupation slaves freely entered into commerce and sold products in the Plaza, and in the market area and/or building at the east end of it.

The tourism entrepeneurs over the last century have simply used the term "slave market" to describe the entire Plaze - which phrase unfortunately brings to mind for many the cracking whips and auctions as slave ships were unloaded in the Colonies and States to the north of Florida, as depicted in so many movies.  

"Slave market" was the term used for the Plaza on the streets and in the stores of St. Augustine in 1955 when I first arrived, and was still being used in 2005 when I left.

Slavin should know better, and shouldn't continue to perpetuate the false history, however - I agree with you in that.
puc reducks

bieramar wrote:
The "slave market" moniker for the Plaza has been the vulgar description - popularized in travel guides, postcards, horse and buggy drivers etc. for more than a century - Slavin is guilty of continuing the misinformation, but he's not the original history re-writer.

And it is a believable story, especially to anyone reading the plaque at the southeast corner of the "market" area at the east end of the Plaza.  The plaque - if it is still there - documents the date and escape and name of a slave from the market, who had jumped into the Matanzas River and swam away.

And as has been documented slaves were sold from the government house at the west end of the Plaza at one time.

And during one period of Spanish occupation slaves freely entered into commerce and sold products in the Plaza, and in the market area and/or building at the east end of it.

The tourism entrepeneurs over the last century have simply used the term "slave market" to describe the entire Plaze - which phrase unfortunately brings to mind for many the cracking whips and auctions as slave ships were unloaded in the Colonies and States to the north of Florida, as depicted in so many movies.  

"Slave market" was the term used for the Plaza on the streets and in the stores of St. Augustine in 1955 when I first arrived, and was still being used in 2005 when I left.

Slavin should know better, and shouldn't continue to perpetuate the false history, however - I agree with you in that.


Why you would presume I or others don't know the history of the mis-use of "slave market" astounds me.  It is obvious to anyone who has lived here for more than. say, a year.

Listen, Mr. He Who Believes He Holds All Final Truths In Everything Because He Experienced It Since 1955:  That doesn't make you an expert.  There ARE alternate sources in this universe.  And some are earlier than 1955.

From The East Florida Gazette (Summer 2011) is an article by J. Gardner as it appeared in The St. Augustine Evening Record of July 15, 1914.

Subject:  "...The Removal of Guns, Arms and Munitions from Fort Marion, St. Augustine, Florida, January 6th-12th, 1861."

Gardner's final paragraph, verbatim from 1914:

"Since the close of the war I have seen pictures with the legend 'The Old Slave Market.'  I want to state that this is a fabrication, to pander to the morbid tastes of a certain class that come or came down to our section with the hope and desire to see only the revolting  or objectionable side of the picture.  This market when I knew it stood near the Plaza, if my memory serves me, and only fish, meats, vegetables, etc., were sold, but I never heard of a [negro] being sold there."

~~~~

And, BTW, I have lonnnnnng ago gotten over any of the times YOU have agreed with ME.  What a sanctimonious, predictable old fart you are, Bieramar.
scrutney

on my list of favorite sites (along with the washington post, celebjihad, steyn online, townhall, the onion and al-jazeera) is; clean up the city of st augustine...

it's a hold over from the plazabum days when i was the president of the "i hate ed" fan club...my opinion of the amazing slavin has matured a bit since those days. and while i still think he's a self aggrandizing little creep, i grudgingly admit that he's helped accomplish some good things recently.

i peeked in today and noticed that he's changed his masthead. it now reads:

In secret, behind locked gates, the former City Manager of our Nation's Oldest City dumped solid waste in our Old City Reservoir. He emitted raw sewage in our San Sebastian River. Citizens exposed environmental racism and pollution. Our new leaders now listen. We're transforming our City. This is advanced citizenship. Please continue to ask questions and make disclosures. Demand answers. Expect democracy. Help us achieve a St. Augustine National Park and Seashore.

i still can't shake the image of our former city manager jockeying the dump nozzle of a honey wagon, shooting a steady stream of brown into the san sebastian at escape velocity, with a hearty "bwahahahahahahahaha"...but that's neither here nor there.

by ed's own admission, we're on the right track.

i think it's about time that he change the insulting name of his blog.

just a thought.
bieramar

My criticism is not of the blog name "Clean Up the City of St. Augustine" (or however it reads), as the politics of EVERY CITY, and every other branch of government, are constantly in the need of cleaning up - and of vigilance to prevent pollution and corruption.

Nor is my criticism the combination of connotation and denotation in the segué of the opening paragraph which cleverly emphasizes the concept of pollution/corruption.

My criticism is the potential immediate reactions of new (and old) readers as they see the opening paragraph "ad hominem" attack - which is a turn off to reading further, or to seriously considering the good stuff which is included in the blog.  

For example, I would rewrite the:
"In secret, behind locked gates, the former City Manager of our Nation's Oldest City dumped solid waste in our Old City Reservoir. He emitted raw sewage in our San Sebastian River" as:
"In the past, in secret, elected and appointed officials and leaders of our Nation's Oldest City allowed solid waste to be dumped and pollute poor neighborhoods.  And they also allowed repeated emissions of raw sewage in our San Sebastian River."
scrutney

things have been pretty quiet over on slavin's blog recently...2 weeks without a peep.
which is puzzling considering the arrest of his nemesis, errol "erroneous" jones, this past weekend.
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
things have been pretty quiet over on slavin's blog recently...2 weeks without a peep.
which is puzzling considering the arrest of his nemesis, errol "erroneous" jones, this past weekend.


People grow.  People change.  It's possible that Erroneous's arrest made Ed's point and the rest will fall into place.  JS...



Edited to fix typo.
tsiya

I've often found myself in agreement with Ed but he will go out of his way to gore my ox, so to Hell with him!
I'm the dummy that found software and converted that first batch of borrow pit photos for him so he could use them online.. I learned my lesson when I found out what he really feels about my issues. If my rights aren't sacrosanct his aren't either.
Liberals are the biggest bunch of two faced backstabbers on the planet.
puc reducks

I'm a so-called liberal and I don't backstab, HBob.

That wasn't a "dummy" thing to do.  In the end, it helped all of us.

Yes, sometimes motives are not altruistic (less and less these days), but the thing is a wrong was righted.  What was in question was w-r-o-n-g.

You, others, might not like his style, but he got it done.  He got results.  You don't have to like his style to like the man.  I think it is more than enough that he is concerned about the environment--and willing to take on government when it is corrupt and threatening our well-being.

Illegal crap is just that: illegal.  They want to lie down with dogs and get up with fleas, then be ready for the antidote.

More communities should have an Ed Slavin.
tsiya

That's why I chipped in and helped with the photos, the first batch were all PDF and had to be converted, then uploaded so Ed could download them and use them. I didn't do it for credit, just hoped Ed wouldn't be so hostile to my causes and so active against them.

Many of you liberals are freaking zealots, you let your phobias and misconceptions wipe all rationality out of your heads. How the Hell you can trash religious groups is beyond me, you're the flaming cultists. Fast and Furious and Solyndra are just two of the most recent examples, totally batshit crazy, stupid agenda driven BS.  In the case of Fast and Furious it led to mass murder. Only the radical Muslims outdo your act. Oddly you seem to feel a bit charitable toward them, "birds of a feather"?

Take a look at Maria Sanchez Lake. Although the submerged "planters" along the seawall are claimed by the city I'm pretty sure they didn't think of it until I mentioned it You may remember I even posted graphics. The way I figured it they wouldn't need the wall, the planters and vegetation would stabilize the banks and not make the lake look like a shopping center retention pond.
Overall the wall is still a blight on the land but the plantings help make it better.
scrutney

puc wrote:
You don't have to like his style to like the man.


i'm not real fond of either...although my opinion of him has softened a bit over time.

puc wrote:
More communities should have an Ed Slavin.


there's a rumor floating around town that when he dropped out of sight last year, he was cloned and hundreds of little ed slavins were grown in a giant vat of chicken soup in roswell new mexico...

they were farmed out to at risk communities.

word round the campfire is that the reason he hasn't posted anything on his blog lately is that he's at an ed slavin convention in lickspittle tennessee.
they've been confusing the hotel staff with words like: energumen, erstwhile, termagent and other directed.

"the first amendment in it's majesty, compels me to refer to the concierge as a poncey school boy."

the hotel staff is planning a walkout.
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
That's why I chipped in and helped with the photos, the first batch were all PDF and had to be converted, then uploaded so Ed could download them and use them. I didn't do it for credit, just hoped Ed wouldn't be so hostile to my causes and so active against them.

Many of you liberals are freaking zealots, you let your phobias and misconceptions wipe all rationality out of your heads. How the Hell you can trash religious groups is beyond me, you're the flaming cultists. Fast and Furious and Solyndra are just two of the most recent examples, totally batshit crazy, stupid agenda driven BS.  In the case of Fast and Furious it led to mass murder. Only the radical Muslims outdo your act. Oddly you seem to feel a bit charitable toward them, "birds of a feather"?

Take a look at Maria Sanchez Lake. Although the submerged "planters" along the seawall are claimed by the city I'm pretty sure they didn't think of it until I mentioned it You may remember I even posted graphics. The way I figured it they wouldn't need the wall, the planters and vegetation would stabilize the banks and not make the lake look like a shopping center retention pond.
Overall the wall is still a blight on the land but the plantings help make it better.


Bob, I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd spew your venom in someone else's face.  I personally am not guilty of anything you've stated above. And just because I don't buy into the Tea Party is no reason for you to be so damning.  I have freedom of choice in this country.  I won't take your abuse any more.

This is--in YOUR face and not behind your back--a FORMAL COMPLAINT to condemn your actions toward me, this and several other instances of abuse and name-calling, and generally singling me out as a "leftist Moonbat."  You don't have the first clue who I am.  I am asking Guido to have a few words with you in the hope that you will pull back some.  If you want to unload, please choose an elected public servant, and not me. I am not your enemy.

I can appreciate you on several levels, but your hatred is wearying.  Please stop addressing me so hatefully.
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
puc wrote:
You don't have to like his style to like the man.


i'm not real fond of either...although my opinion of him has softened a bit over time.

puc wrote:
More communities should have an Ed Slavin.


there's a rumor floating around town that when he dropped out of sight last year, he was cloned and hundreds of little ed slavins were grown in a giant vat of chicken soup in roswell new mexico...

they were farmed out to at risk communities.

word round the campfire is that the reason he hasn't posted anything on his blog lately is that he's at an ed slavin convention in lickspittle tennessee.
they've been confusing the hotel staff with words like: energumen, erstwhile, termagent and other directed.

"the first amendment in it's majesty, compels me to refer to the concierge as a poncey school boy."

the hotel staff is planning a walkout.


No truth to the rumor.  I'll PM you.
scrutney

puc reducks wrote:
scrutney wrote:
puc wrote:
You don't have to like his style to like the man.


i'm not real fond of either...although my opinion of him has softened a bit over time.

puc wrote:
More communities should have an Ed Slavin.


there's a rumor floating around town that when he dropped out of sight last year, he was cloned and hundreds of little ed slavins were grown in a giant vat of chicken soup in roswell new mexico...

they were farmed out to at risk communities.

word round the campfire is that the reason he hasn't posted anything on his blog lately is that he's at an ed slavin convention in lickspittle tennessee.
they've been confusing the hotel staff with words like: energumen, erstwhile, termagent and other directed.

"the first amendment in it's majesty, compels me to refer to the concierge as a poncey school boy."

the hotel staff is planning a walkout.


No truth to the rumor.  I'll PM you.


damn.
i was just itching to say:
"send in the clones."
tsiya

Message from the St. Johns County Tea Party



On Tuesday, the BOCC will take up consideration of a resolution brought forth by Ed Slavin. Mr. Slavin, a long time liberal activist in this county and a disbarred attorney from the State of Tennessee has for the last several years been pushing the idea for a National Mega Park for the St. Johns County Area.
His plan would be for the county to turn over to the Federal Government over 120,000 acres of public lands, including all the land owned by the Water Management District for this Mega Park. Now he is pushing for concrete action.
He claims many benefits in the form of lower cost to you the taxpayer. Unfortunately any lower cost in the form of reduced taxes will come at the expense of your freedom and private property rights.
First and formeost, the legislation attached to his legislation shows a big government, "green economy" bias. It states as part of the purposes:
(D) to protect us from hurricanes by protecting wetlands;
(E) to respond to coastal erosion with a coherent management plan;
(F) to protect endangered species and scenery forever;
(G) to grow our economy and encourage historic and environmental tourism;
(H) to preserve and protect the St. Johns River and Ocala National Forest and existing state parks and
forests and water management district lands from further depredations;
(I) to preserve St. Augustine's history and natural beauty for future generations.
It is clear from these purposes the act would restrict private property rights and give the government vast and extensive control over all land uses within the county.
Secondly, it would destroy our ability to govern ourselves. As part of the designation of the boundaries of the park, they include:

"the scenic St. Johns River, from its headwaters and tributaries to its mouth, including the riverbed;"
" beaches, submerged lands, marshes and other areas that are owned by the cities of St. Augustine
and St. Augustine Beach and by the State of Florida in trust for the people of Florida, including marshes,
reefs, shorelines and underwater archaeological artifacts;"

"(xi) St. Johns River Water Management District’s Twelve Mile Swamp, Deep Creek, Matanzas Marsh,
Moses Creek and Stokes Landing reservations located in St. Johns County, Florida and Pellicer Creek,
Graham Swamp Conservation Areas in Flagler County and the Crescent Lake Conservation Area in
Flagler and Volusia Counties;
(xii) Designated portions of the seashore owned by St. Johns County, Florida between the Duval and
Flagler County lines;"

As well as a great many of the churches in St. Augustine (including many privately owned). The legislation would have private property seized and turned over to the federal government including the entire St. Johns River which is the single largest source of water for all of Central and Northern Florida.

It would render all local governments impotent to the jurisdiction of an "appointed board" of governor infinitely more wise than you or I or the people we elect to administer our affairs. At its most absurd implementation, you would have to park your cars and cede title to your property if the "Secretary" (of the Interior) deemed it was in the best interest of the National Park.

You would become a slave in your own home.

Join us on Tuesday morning, tell the Commission, enough of this nonsense. Kill this proposal, put a silver bullet between its eyes and drive a wooden stake through its heart.

Tuesday morning, November 1, 2011 at 9:00 am in the commission chambers.
bieramar

Quote: "The legislation would have private property seized and turned over to the federal government including the entire St. Johns River which is the single largest source of water for all of Central and Northern Florida".

If it is the St Johns County Tea Party's position that the St. Johns River is now, or should be, owned by private citizens, in lieu of being owned by all the public, I advise anyone who can to attend the meeting and speak against such an idea.

Although SCOTUS has not yet ruled (lawsuits from across the land have been bundled into one, which is being reviewed now) on which entities own and control the most basic human necessity of the constantly renewing resource of water, everyone should oppose private sector ownership.
puc reducks

Hyperbole from the Tea Party.  Nothing new under the Sun.
tsiya

The Federal government controls too much as it is, much more than the Constitution empowers it to do.
tsiya

Bullshit from a liberal, Nothing new under the Sun
puc reducks

Bullshit right back in your face.
bieramar

tsiya wrote:
The Federal government controls too much as it is, much more than the Constitution empowers it to do.


I agree in principle, and in many other areas/issues in practice, but in the cases of ownership of water (and air) the U.S. Constitution, specifically the responsibilities of the Judiciary, are relevant;

"The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States,...
--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;...
--to controversies between two or more states;
--between a state and citizens of another state;
--between citizens of different states;
--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states,..."[as amended by Amendment XI].

SCOTUS has always ruled that since navigable rivers, lakes, and streams have been public since ancient times in all civilized societies - including in colonial America when/where they were held "in trust for the public" by the King of England - that they should remain public.

When each of the 13 colonies declared themselves states of the United States they took sovereignty from the Crown and assumed the "held in trust for the public" ownership of navigable waters.

Each new state became "owner" of the natural waters as they existed on the date of statehood.  The people who owned the land where non-navigable waters existed, e.g., puddles after rains, marshland seepage, etc. owned those waters.

The people - the public - who lived along the public waters could drink from them and use them to bathe themselves and their livestock, grow crops, etc., and each state would make the laws regarding the public waters they "owned" in trust.

However, as the public waters flowed from one state to another, it was inevitable that there would be problems - usually upstream events which affected downstream states - so the U.S. Constitution gave the federal courts jurisdiction to "controversies between two or more states."

It would seem simple - as the St. Johns River begins in Florida and flows only through Florida to the Atlantic Ocean, that the government of Florida "owns" it in trust for the public and solely makes the laws about it.  

Thus the Tea Party declaration of private ownership is either hyperbolic polemic or ignorance of the law.

On the other hand their opposition to federal "ownership" in lieu of Florida's would seem to be proper and in accordance with the constitutional law of the land.

But few (if anyone at all) of the Founders knew the science of the aquifers which collect and store water beneath the surface of the land and navigable waters! And the surface and deep aquifer systems extend and connect under all the separate states except Hawaii.  

Water pumped up in Alabama or Georgia may effect changes in how much water flows through the St. Johns River.  In the past individual states made compacts with each other over the flows and usages for crop irrigation - with the federal judiciary arbitrating.  

More recently potable water for human consumption is becoming the source of the compacts and litigations between states, initially the western states, but now the eastern also as the aquifers drop and above-ground water continues to be polluted.  

And if droughts become more prevelant, and population increases, the problems - and inter-state disagreements - escalate.

Wars will be fought over water as they've been fought over oil/gas for the last century and a half.  

I think that water "ownership" i.e. "held in trust for the public" should be shifted from the states to the federal government.
puc reducks

Simple:  Ya always ask for more than you can get.  That way, you end up with something.
scrutney

i've been reading about this emerald necklace crap for four years and he hasn't convinced me yet.

sleevin's got something up his slave on this and it ain't just getting his name on a plaque.

there's a strange smell coming from the woodpile.

puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
i've been reading about this emerald necklace crap for four years and he hasn't convinced me yet.

sleevin's got something up his slave on this and it ain't just getting his name on a plaque.

there's a strange smell coming from the woodpile.



I think you are wrong, but have no hard proof to offer.  Time will tell.

It doesn't HAVE to be skeevy, y'know.

That strange smell is likely the woodchuck, having chucked so much wood.  Cool
scrutney

puc reducks wrote:
I think you are wrong, but have no hard proof to offer.  Time will tell.

It doesn't HAVE to be skeevy, y'know.

That strange smell is likely the woodchuck, having chucked so much wood.  Cool


well, in the interests of full disclosure i have no hard proof to offer that there's something skeezy going on...but ed's been beating this drum for so long and so loudly that i can't help but be suspicious.

there's the parable about the little shepherd boy, who cried "environmental racism" one too many times
puc reducks

scrutney wrote:
puc reducks wrote:
I think you are wrong, but have no hard proof to offer.  Time will tell.

It doesn't HAVE to be skeevy, y'know.

That strange smell is likely the woodchuck, having chucked so much wood.  Cool


well, in the interests of full disclosure i have no hard proof to offer that there's something skeezy going on...but ed's been beating this drum for so long and so loudly that i can't help but be suspicious.

there's the parable about the little shepherd boy, who cried "environmental racism" one too many times


There are a lots/scads of disparate parties involved.

Thoroughness in beating bushes or drums takes time, built from one name upon another, modified, re-drafted, and so forth.  I think it is a tribute to Ed's fierce commitment and vision that in four years he has produced all he has and inspired various players in governments and private land owners with his excitement.

Whole lotta history behind (the 1939 bill that was passed) all parties involved, reasoning, etc. Goes back to the days of the Carnegie Institute, Verne E. Chatelain as first Chief Historian appointed by the NPS (we rote a book on the Denfenses of St. Augustine, ca. 1939.  Altough much in that book doesn't hold true today, it was an excellent start.  If not for WW II, who knows where the partnership between Carneie and St. Aug. could have gone?
scrutney

cribbed from the clean up the city of st augustine blog:

St. Augustine and St. Johns County, Florida Office Pool 2012

This Office Pool is written with tongue-in-cheek. It is also written with a tip-of-the-hat, admiration and my sincere appreciation to NY Times' late columnist William Safire (the English language expert and sesquipedalian former Vice President Spiro T. Agnew speechwriter, who coined such Nixonian bon mots as one of my favorites, "nattering nabobs of negativism").

The venerable William Safire wrote -- and I read -- his New Year's "Office Pools" for 34 years.

Safire last wrote an Office Pool just before New Year’s in 2009 – he died in September 2009.

So here's my 2012 Office Pool for St. Augustine and St. Johns County. As Mr. Safire said in a prior year, "You've got to play to win." Here goes:

1. City Commissioner Errol Jones will:
a. Be convicted of one or more crimes;
b. Run for office again;
c. Not run again;
d. Write his memoirs and name names;
e. Go to work for polluters or developers as a lobbyist;
e. Be asked to (and refuse to) take a Blood Alcohol Test during a City Commission meeting;
f. Write a silly song extolling the virtues of CHESTER STOKES, ROBERT MICHAEL GRAUBARD, clear-cutting and tree-killing;
g. None of the above;
h. All of the above.

2. Former St. Johns County Commissioner Jim Bryant will:
a. Be indicted;
b. Run for office again;
c. Write his memoirs and name names;
d. Go to work for clear-cutting developers, like other former Commissioners;
e. Fall asleep at County Commission meetings as a spectator rather than as a commissioner;
f. Write a haiku poem extolling the virtues of clear-cutting and tree-killing;
i. None of the above;
j. All of the above.

3. St. Augustine City Commissioners will find a new spirit of friendliness and openness as they:
a. Welcome Gay residents and tourists by banning anti-Gay discrimination in housing, public accommodations, employment and education;
b. Welcome artists and entertainers back to St. George Street and the Plaza;
c. Support legislation to create a new national park, the "St. Augustine National Historical Park and National Seashore."
d. All of the above;
e. None of the above.

4. Foreign-funded, tree-killing, clear-cutting developers will:
a. Be indicted;
b. Be shown to have corrupted County and City officials;
c. Still be hated by everyone in St. Augustine and St. Johns County;
d. Try to redeem themselves in public opinion by donating/selling their ill-gotten land for the St. Augustine National Park and National Seashore.
e. Elect another Florida State Legislature;
f. Elect a new President of the United States.

5. Federal and state law enforcement agents will conduct surprise raids on:
a. Present and former Town of Hastings officials and local developers responsible for 2005 annexations of pesticide-contaminated farmland that speculators planned to build housing;
b. Local officials responsible for zoning decisions;
c. Local developers;
d. Local hate groups;
e. Local restaurants and hotels employing workers at subminimum wages, some undocumented illegal immigrants;
f. Other organizational targets;
g. All of the above;
h. None of the above.

6. Florida Governor Richard Scott will:
a. Support a St. Augustine National Historical Park and National Seashore;
b. Renounce Islamophobic bigotry advanced by his 2010 TV commercials;
c. Wage war on government corruption.

7. The first belly-up local "development" to result in criminal charges will be:
a. CHESTER STOKES' evisceration of the arsenic-contaminated Ponce de Leon Golf Links;
b. ROBERT MICHAEL GRAUBARD's effort to turn a 3000-4000 year old indigenous American Indian village next to St. Augustine High School into condos and a stripmall;
c. ROBERT MICHAEL GRAUBARD's effort to turn Conch House Marina into condominiums (a project called "one sweet monkey" by the since-defrauded Ponce family, which sold the Conch House to GRAUBARD);
d. Sebastian Inner Harbor;
e. Nocatee (a knockoff of the DeSoto County town with an Indian name that already bears Florida zip code 34268), rubber-stamp approved by compliant St. Johns County Commissioners for the Davis family and the PARC group under the discredited days of the St. Johns County Commission's ancien regime under Jim Bryant (a puppet among puppets, not unlike the late Louisiana Governor O.K. Allen, Huey Long's puppet, of whom it was said that a leaf once blew in Allen's window and he signed it);
f. None of the above.

8. St. Augustine City Commissioners will admit publicly that prior City Commissioners erred when they:
a. Banned all but government flags from the Bridge of Lions;
b. Voted 3-2 (Commissioners Burk and Gardner dissenting) for "brownfield" tax credit subsidies for CHESTER STOKES' Ponce de Leon Golf Course;
c. Banned artists and entertainers from St. George Street and the Plaza;
d. Thought they made a mistake once but found out they were wrong.


9. The St. Augustine and St. Johns County Airport Authority will:
a. Take federal funds for something useful;
b. Hire a new manager based on a national search;
c. Charge rich guys to land their airplanes;
d. Condemn (steal) more homeowners' land for rich guys' airplanes;
e. Make Northrop Grumman pay more for its use of the airport;
f. Insist on using a new name not approved by the legislature – Northeast Florida Airport – showing (once again) its inane approach to branding and marketing;
g. Issue self-serving press statements and insult anyone who questions its “authority.”

10. Developer lawyer George McClure will:
a. Legally change his name to "Snidely Whiplash," inspired by his uncanny resemblance to the character in "Dudley Do-right";
b. Legally change his name to the "Prince of Darkness," inspired by his secret admiration of the James Mason character in Paul Newman's movie, "The Verdict";
c. Represent environmentalist-citizens fighting tree-cutting developers (albeit in a county far, far away, with a paper bag over his head);
d. Appear before local governmental bodies without wearing a silk tie, in recognition of the fact that his law firm now bears his own name (instead of Rogers Towers);
e. Take less than 15 minutes to make his case for done-deal zoning favors (saying he now believes it's only fair that his clients should have no more than 3 minutes to which development opponents are limited);
f. Sue government officials for civil rights violations for disapproving a developer's project.

11. Flagler College will:
a. Announce its plans to annex the entire City of St. Augustine and take it off the tax rolls;
b. Hire faculty members without respect to their political views;
c. Recognize faculty rights to academic freedom;
d. Ban the use of the "N" word in all Flagler College classes, including those that are attended by St. Augustine and County police officers, instituting a diversity policy and sensitivity training;
e. Raise faculty salaries to levels competitive with UF and FSU;
f. Grant eligibility for tenure to Flagler College faculty members (something that professors at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York have but which Dr. William L. Proctor disdains for “his” faculty members, who typically get only one-year or two-year teaching contracts, contributing to a spirit of fear and reprisal on the Flagler College campus;
g. Announce plans to seek American Bar Association (ABA) accreditation for a new law school;
h. All of the above.

12. The first civil rights lawsuit brought against a local government agency or corporation in St. Johns County during 2012 will be:
a. By EEOC, an employment discrimination lawsuit against St. Johns County School Board;
b. By the Department of Health and Human Services Office of Civil Rights, against racially segregated nursing homes receiving government funds;
c. By HUD Office of Civil Rights for blatantly racially-segregated real estate offices and advertisements showing only white homeowners;
d. By persons with disabilities, filing a civil rights lawsuit against City of St. Augustine and the State of Florida, for failing to implement the Americans with Disabilities Act with proper disability access (city streets and parking);
e. By civil rights groups, filing a civil rights lawsuit against State of Florida, University of Florida and the City of St. Augustine, for leasing St. George Street properties to businesses that include discriminatory employers that refuse to employ African-Americans, see Burton v. Wilmington Parking Authority, 365 U.S. 715 (1961);
f. Other.


13. The first successful environmental crime prosecution (or guilty pleas) in 2012 will be:
a. BP, Transocean and Halliburton for the Deepwater Horizon explosion, eleven worker deaths and resulting, Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster;
b. ROBERT MICHAEL GRAUBARD for wetland-filling;
c. For covering up developers' willful destruction of wetlands, officials of the St. Johns River Water Management District (SJRWMD) and Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP, a/k/a “Don’t Expect Protection” in the words of the late Native American environmental activist David Thundershield Queen)

d. A nonagenarian peace activist for allegedly spitting on the sidewalk;
e. An insouciant, inconsiderate tourist for dumping an ashtray full of cigarette butts from his gas-guzzling SUV onto the floor of the City's White Elephant Parking Garage;
f. An overweight, sweaty, tourist for taking his shirt off in front of the Castillo and causing visual and air pollution.

14. Worst local government scandal:
a. Developer influence from the Courthouse to Tallahassee to the White House;
b. School Board for its since-rescinded vote to dilute minority voting strength in District 2;
c. Low voter turnout and apathy;
d. Lack of adequate local daily newspaper space given to serious investigative coverage of government/politics;
e. Lackadaisical television news coverage of local St. Johns County news;
f. "Just us folks" for empowering all of the above and letting ourselves be taken advantage of decade after decade, deal after deal, election after election;
g. All of the above.

15. Best new invention:
a. iPhone app to help us to follow government actions;
b. Better ways to get young people to register and vote in large numbers;
c. Creative ways to make BP and other one-percenters pay for their crimes;
d. Ways to persuade polluters stop dead in their tracks before they do it again;
e. All of the above.

16. Controversial Flagler College Chancellor and soon-to-be-ex State Representative William L. Proctor (R-20th) will:
a. Wear a Speedo® bathing suit in the William L. Proctor Library, violating the rules;
b. Fail to persuade his Florida Legislature colleagues to enact legislation giving his “special” friend’s educational institution eminent domain and exemptions from City of St. Augustine zoning (Florida School for the Deaf and Blind)(Are some things are just too stinky, even for Florida legislators?);
c. Retire as Flagler College Chancellor, resulting in a spontaneous three-day celebration;
d. Publish his long-anticipated memoirs;
e. Endorse Michelle Bachman or Rick Santorum for President in the Florida Republican Primary;
f. All of the above.


17. Buskers (street artists and musicians) will be respected and no longer arrested for painting and playing music by our City of St. Augustine, effective:
a. January 30, 2012
b. March 30, 2012
c. June 30, 2012
d. October 30, 2012
e. Never.


18. The St. Johns River Water Management District will:
a. Fire more ethical environmental scientists for doing their jobs too well;
b. Fail to inform laid-off SJRWMD employees of their right to file environmental whistleblower cases;
c. Be merged into a large organization;
d. Cause another environmental disaster (its Lake Apopka Bird Kill Scandal, which resulted in a federal environmental crimes investigation and Grand Jury investigation over SJRWMD’s inundating thousands of acres of pesticide-contaminated land, killing more than 1000 endangered birds who died horrible painful deaths);
e. Show arrogance on Open Records and Sunshine laws, emboldened by the Fifth District Court of Appeals’ recent finding of no Sunshine violation (refusing to let Stetson Kennedy speak in opposition to plans to export our St. Johns River water to Orlando);
f. All of the above.


19. The Whetstone-Maguire family will:

a. Continue to look down their distended nostrils at the rest of the world, acting like the very self-righteous Republican lords of all they survey, regarding the government of our City of St. Augustine as a mere “adjunct to its affairs,” in FDR’s words about “malefactors of great wealth” during the 1930s;
b. Lose its overbearing demand to build an enormous dock across city-owned bayfront and bottomlands (on which it has reportedly never paid taxes);
c. Run at least one of its family members (Bruce Maguire or spouse Virginia Whetstone) for public office, losing yet again;
d. Wake up on New Year’s Day with a new attitude, treating their fellow citizens with warmth and respect, like Ebeneezer Scrooge in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol;
e. Sell its real estate interests to foreign investors, moving to Tibet or the Grand Caymans;
f. None of the above.


20. The Ku Klux Klan will:
a. Continue to support Republican and Tea Party candidates;
b. Design new uniforms to complement their members’ girlish figures (see photo illustration, below);
c. Denounce political corruption in Florida and call for indictments;
d. Reveal the long-suspected truth about President Warren Gamaliel Harding’s KKK membership and ethnic heritage;
e. None of the above.


21. The Ku Klux Klan, local hate websites, the Republican Party, and the two warring St. Augustine Tea Party factions will:
a. Merge and hold a hate-in;
b. Peculate;
c. Ululate;
d. Publicly announce a slate of candidates for County Commissioners;
e. Never elect another St. Augustine City Commissioner;
f. Embrace non-violence and Christian charity.
g. None of the above.


22. The Florida National Guard will:
a. Not have a single service member die in Iraq this year;
b. Find ways of saving money in its budget;
c. Comply with EEO laws;
d. Hold a bake sale to raise money;
e. Never seek Pentagon approval for a wasteful “flyover” by Stealth aircraft for a General’s retirement ceremony, ever again.
f. None of the above.


23. Two feuding St. Augustine Beach City Commissioners will:
a. Reconcile and figure a way to work for the betterment of their beach community;
b. Sue each other;
c. Spread Lashon hora about each other;
d. Mud wrestle after a Commission meeting;
e. Continue to feud for personal reasons;
f. None of the above.


24. The St. Augustine Record will:
a. Be purchased by the New York Times;
b. Be sold by Morris Communications to a non-profit group for a song;
c. Be merged with the Florida Times-Union;
d. Not endorse Barack Obama’s re-election;
e. Continue to muddle along, with indifferent funding and lax leadership by the Morris family, as it continues to lose readers and lose respect in our community, failing to cover the real news, with declining budgets and staffing;
f. None of the above.


25. The St. Johns River will:
a. Be privatized on orders of the Koch Brothers (owners of dioxin-emitting Georgia-Pacific plant in Palatka), implementing St. Augustine Tea Party’s ukase that our river is “private property”;
b. Continue to suffer from algal blooms and water pollution, without prosecution by EPA or DEP (“Don’t expect protection”);
c. Overflow its banks in a torrential storm, inundating the residences of people who built homes too close to its edge;
d. Be the subject of public outrage, as the Koch Brothers’ pollution pipeline scheme for Georgia-Pacific’s Palatka toilet paper plant becomes notorious from the courthouse to the White House, and fodder for late night TV comics;
e. None of the above.


My predictions (for whatever they're worth): 1(a,c); 2(a); 3 (d); 4(a,b,c,d); 5(c,d); 6(a,b,c); 7(f); 8 (c); 9(f,g); 10(c,f); 11(g); 12(d); 13(a); 14(g); 15(b,c,d); 16(b); 17(c); 18(a,b,d,e); 19(a,b); 20(a); 21(c,e); 22(a,e); 23(a); 24(d,e); 25(b,d). What do you reckon?


Happy New Year!
bieramar

Great stuff!
puc reducks

Concur! Genius!

Many thanks to Phred for pointing out my typo.  
tsiya

"Genuis" ??
scrutney

well, if i'm not wandering around in a drunken stupor this evening, i might just post my own office pool.
and while we're at it, maybe you've got some ideas.
scrutney

scrut's 2012 office pool:

in 2012 rick santorum will:
a. be elected president of the united states.
b. finally ease into a smile when someone removes the ice cold pickle from his nether regions.
c. get down on his knees and thank a just and loving god if someone, anyone, takes him seriously.
d. catch up on all that reading he’s been meaning to do.
e. get caught spiking ron paul’s pre-debate glass of metamucil with a double dose of rufinol.

in 2012 ron paul will:
a. during his next republican debate, loudly declare, “this country needs an enema.”
b. publically announce that his fan boy supporters need to get a life and possibly go out on a date or something.
c. return to earth.
d. during his next debate, become violently flatulent, as his fan boy supporters applaud appreciatively and proclaim that “even when ron’s talking out his ass, he makes more sense than all the other candidates combined.”
e. admit that he has a love jones for kim kardashian.
f. inspire kmart to name a designer line of senior citizen leisure wear after him.

in 2012 michelle bachman will:
a. say something that politifact states is 100% truthful.
b. have a 'tell all' book written about her by her 55 foster children that in essence states ; joan  crawford  was a cream puff by comparison.
c. regardless of the results of the iowa caucus, be quoted as saying : “yeah, but ya know, it’s iowa.”
d. be arrested for giving an impromptu performance of the stanky leg,  at a southern baptist grip and grin.
e. horrify a crowd of supporters when she mixes up her handler’s instructions to “go out there and shake hands and kiss babies.”

in 2012 barack obama  will:
a. be re-elected and continue to blame america’s woes on the president that was in office during the previous term…and no one notices.
b. hire a violinist to follow john boehner around to press conferences, and play a sad lament every time he mentions the words,  “democrat.”, “the opposition” or “the president.”
c. finally be vetted by the media.
d. tell wifey to shut the hell up and have some chili cheese fries.
e. have the words “your mother’s name” tattooed on his posterior, so that when he’s forced to talk to members of the republican leadership, he can finish the conversation with : “you know, i have your mother’s name tattooed on my ass.”

in 2012 mitt romney will:
a. be elected president.
b. inspire one, just one, conservative to do anything, other than search for the aspirin bottle.
c. not inspire anyone to create the phrase “the romney revolution.”
d. inspire a new kmart line of designer flip flops.
e. start canvassing votes by going house to house in new hampshire,  which prompts the residents to say: “martha, get the door, there’s another one of those damn mormons ringing the bell.”

in 2012 gadfly about town, ed slavin will:
a. start yet a third faction of the st. augustine tea party.
b. work the word “energumen” into no less than 30 blog posts.
c. continue diogenes’ noble quest with a quick peek in the mirror every morning.
d. use a 7 syllable word that no one can find in the dictionary.
e. prove the existence of the old city reservoir.
f. nominate andrew young for king of the world.
g. bury the hatchet with mike gold…(no word yet on where.)
h. endorse merrill roland  for whatever office he’s running for this week.
i. admit that the real reason he’s been thrumming his dime store harp about a national park is, that he and judy have bagged the shaved ice concession from the n.p.s.

in 2012 the st. augustine record will:
a. report a news story.
b. report a news story that hasn’t been reported by another news source first.
c. morph into a bi-weekly full color glossy, featuring local people with interesting tattoos and piercings.
d. endorse merrill roland for whatever office he’s running for this week.
e. adopt the slogan “that’s news to us.”
f. adopt the slogan “st augustine, a quaint drinking village with a reading problem.”
puc reducks

tsiya wrote:
"Genius" ??


Si, hombre!  Ed is a brainiac.  I'd want him advocating for me were I in the weeds.
mike

I can't beleive I didn't make Ed's list.  I must be living right.


    New York Times: "All the news that's fit to print."

    The Record: "All the news that fits in print."

    Historic City News: "All the news that I see fit."



Happy New Years, everyone.
puc reducks

mike wrote:
I can't beleive I didn't make Ed's list.  I must be living right.


    New York Times: "All the news that's fit to print."

    The Record: "All the news that fits in print."

    Historic City News: "All the news that I see fit."



Happy New Years, everyone.


Happpy New Year right back, Mike.

The NYT:  "The White Man's Burden." (Getting and reading Sunday's City Edition on Saturday night after partying until 2 a.m. or so. In the Village.)

There is always THIS year to make the list!   Cool
scrutney

and a happy new year to you as well, mike.

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