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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

auntmartymoo wrote:
I was joking about Bieramar's alternate spelling of "y'all"...he went with "ya'll."  

[I don't recommend correcting other posters' typos.  As soon as you do...you'll post a glaring typo of your own.]


Bier is a damyankee, in no way an authority!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
scrutney wrote:
i'd be willing to wager that rank and file democrats had no idea what was in the platform.
and if they were waiting for obama to explain it to them...they were certainly disappointed during the debates.
his general message during the debates went something like this:

"we worked hard in the past four years, we're marginally better off then we were, and i'd like four more years to see it through."

<snip>

and by the way...what's this apologists crap?

i'm not apologizing for didly.
we're conducting a good healthy election post mortum.


Apologist n. A person who argues in defense or justification of
something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.


which, by the way is exactly what i'm not doing.
i'm not trying to defend or justify the way the republicans prosecuted this election...it was one screw up after another.

we didn't get our message out because we had no message.
"romney, he's better than the other guy" is not a clarion call to action.
"i have a 5 point plan" isn't the stuff of legends either.

there's nothing to defend or justify.
we screwed the pooch.

years ago, when i was in radio, i was tasked with creating an ad campaign for a local sand and gravel company...despite the challenge, i came up with some very good commercials. people said that they really liked the spots.

my boss told me that the company (after paying for 6 months of ads) wasn't happy with the results, a modest increase in sales.

my only response was: "have you ever tried to sell sand and gravel?"

when you sell steak, sell the sizzle.
but the republicans didn't have steak or sizzle to sell, we had sand and gravel. we had mitt romney.

fiscal responsibility has no zing.
smaller government?
go ahead and come up with an ad campign for that.

"vote republican, cause we're really not fighting a war on women. really.

nope...no defense. no justifying, no rationalization here.
we f**ked up. hard.
from the starting gun.

edited to add:

regarding "selling the sizzle":


wikipedia wrote:
Commercial parody was a popular forte with Bob and Ray. A typical show would have such "sponsors" as:

The Monongahela Metal Foundry ("Casting steel ingots with the housewife in mind")

Einbinder Flypaper ("The brand you've gradually grown to trust over the course of three generations")

The United States Post Office ("Makers and distributors of stamps")

The Croftweiler Industrial Cartel ("Makers of all sorts of stuff, made out of everything")

Cool Canadian Air ("Packed fresh every day in the Hudson Bay and shipped to your door")

Grime ("The magic shortening that spreads like lard")

The United States Mint ("One of the nation's leading producers of genuine U.S. currency")

Penuche ("With or without nuts, the greatest name in fudge")

Kretchford Braid and Tassel ("Next time you think of braid or tassel, rush into your neighborhood store and shout, 'Kretchford'!")


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_Ray
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said many times, Mitt Romney has NO fire in his belly.  

He can't communicate with Mayberry because he has no idea what Mayberry is thinking, if he is even aware that Mayberry thinks. He didn't, couldn't, get the big urban blocs, he needed Mayberry. I know people still so pissed off by Romney's 2nd amendment folly in Massachusetts that they don't even say his name at the dinner table.
Add gay marriage, abortion and Romneycare and he started off behind.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrutney wrote:
my only response was: "have you ever tried to sell sand and gravel?"


So true.  And we had a stage full of sand and gravel in the primary.  Remember how hardly anyone could even remember the names of the 2 pasty bookends on the stage...even after several debates?

In retrospect...probably not a good idea to run a businessman after Obama, and his media, had been running a propaganda campaign for 5 years...(incorrectly) blaming businessmen for the biggest financial crash since the great depression.

Kind of like the plan we had in 2008 where we ran a guy with an entirely military resume...when the entire country was sick as hell of war!

Funny how the only 2 guys on the stage this time...who had any campaign organization and any fundraising capability...were a businessman and a Texan.  And it was not the best year to be selling either of those brands of sand and gravel.  Well...not to most voters anyway.

In principle, I will probably always think a businessman is a good idea for president.  Running this country is like running a huge company.  But successful businessmen are going to have a lot of money...and small-minded people will always hold that against them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsiya wrote:
As I've said many times, Mitt Romney has NO fire in his belly.  

And you've been wrong every time you said it.

YOU had no fire in YOUR belly for our candidate.  

And we lost because several million republicans stayed home because THEY had no fire in THEIR bellies.

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He can't communicate with Mayberry because he has no idea what Mayberry is thinking...

That's the same class-envy bullshit the democrats put forth all year.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should have been running a REAL republican and they are scarce in New England. Romney is no way as bad but what the hell were they thinking when they let Michael Bloomberg call himself a republican? Rudy is more likeable but damned near as bad when it comes to end justifies the means crap. Dense urban areas seem to do that to people, it's some kind of termite colony thing.

Even if we now have a mostly urban nation there are millions of people unhappy about it. They are resisting and are going to continue resisting.

The democrats realize that there is an urban/rural dichotomy, they've concentrated on capturing the cities, and conservatives will never retake that ground.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsiya wrote:
We should have been running a REAL republican and they are scarce in New England.


REAL republicans were scarce on the stage at the primary debates.

Which one is it that you think would've won against Obama this year?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really know, haven't found him yet, but we are obviously wasting time and money on the turkeys we've been running. Obama and his goblins ARE going to screw things up really bad, they are a combination of evil and stupid previously unheard of. Failure is assured.
Maybe enough of the American people will wake up in time to save the Nation, maybe not. If they don't a splitting off will be the only hope. The states are anything but united anyway and it will get worse.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think any of our offerings were anything to get excited about this time...and my expectations, when it comes to politicians, are fairly low.  It was a poor crop to chose from.

At this time, I think the individual states are going to have to show some backbone and make it clear what they can and cannot afford...when it comes to ObamaCare...and any other extravagant federal mandates.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Galt is here, let him have time to do his job. We will all suffer along with the useful idiots, but nothing can be done about it yet.


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