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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

[quote="JodyB]We need to unite behind ONE candidate,who ever that may be, to defeat the common foe.

We simply must be a united front against Obama.[/quote]

Inferring that "we" means Republicans, the realpolitik is that even if all registered Republicans bite the bullet and vote for the Republican candidate, they still won't defeat Obama.

Which means that the Republican candidate must be acceptable to non-affiliated independent voters.
That means one who preaches a centrist-right agenda.

The critical element will be the number of National Convention Tea Party-backed delegates - who tend to be non-compromising idealogues who may not support a center-right candidate for the nomination.

I think Republicans would be better off to put their money into congressional races, and am pretty sure the RNC will push that agenda.

However more and more money is now being spent by the far left and far right (SCOTUS decision allowing corporate "persons" to donate/spend) and their media ads are beyond the control of the RNC (and DNC).
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Inferring that "we" means Republicans, the realpolitik is that even if all registered Republicans bite the bullet and vote for the Republican candidate, they still won't defeat Obama.


while i would tend to agree with that statement...it is far too early to handicap this race.
period.

facebook, twitter and all the other social networking sites could very well be the joker in the deck.

we may not even know the name of the next president of the united states.

(but we probably do...it's that jolly old irishman....paddy o'bama)

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrut:bier, the link you posted directs to an online spiral notebook thing with the spiral obscuring some pertinent words...so i thought i'd simplify matters

bier wrote:
My proposal to diminish the power of the 2-Party system:


Please review my earlier discourse on the "American" concept and the Founding Fathers at
http://community.webtv.net/bieramar/bieramarsblog/page8.html and also the following two great primers on the evolution of political "Parties" in the U.S.A.:

http://web.syr.edu/~mamelara/gerring.html

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/AmericanMajorParties.html

It is critical to the continuation and preservation of the principles of the Founding Fathers of the United States as embodied in the Constitutional provisions that the 2-Party system which has evolved be eliminated - and adding a 3rd Party is not the way to go!

Proportional representation of the franchised electorate - the election of the legislative (and judicial, where not appointed) branch, not the executive branch, officials - must be implemented; similar to the proportional representation that exists in most "democracies" established since the end of the 18th century.

Israel, Costa Rica and Switzerland are excellent examples of different methods proportionally represented constitutional governments in the 21st century. The major flaws are the inclusion of the executive branch officials in the election process and the concomitant necessity of establishing a "new" government after each election. The U.S. would avoid that defect by retaining the main elements of our current process of electing a President and Vice-President.

What needs to be done (no particular order):

- Eliminate all political affiliations on all ballots for all elected legislative and judicial offices; local, state and federal. This has already been accomplished in many jurisdictions across the land (and across the sea in Hawaii and our island possessions). In most jurisdictions this is a legislative function, and does not require charter or state constitutional changes - if it does so require, do it!

- Eliminate all political "party" requirements for ballot eligibility, where they currently exist 'de jure' or 'de facto.'

- Require a percentage of total population in petition signatures from registered voters for ballot eligibility.

- Eliminate option of paying for ballot listings, in lieu of signatures.

- Mandate official "Party" philosophy statements on all campaign literature, media ads, billboards, placards, etc. If the literature is generated by a corporation (the infamous faux "persons), its name must be included also. [See below for the "new" Parties].

- Eliminate voter registration by Party affiliation.

- "Open" all primaries for all elected legislative offices; every voter can vote once in every race, as there are no political party affiliations listed, nor are voters registered by party.

Now comes the tricky part!

Please note that none of the above are unconstitutional, and in fact a good argument can be made that each is more in accordance than the 2-Party system with the beliefs of many of the final compromises which the Founding Fathers, and then the voters, of the original Colonies during the ratification process.

Also none of the above eliminate political "Parties" themselves - which are absolutely essential to exist in order to provide a basis for true proportional representative government!

"Birds of a feather flock together" is not only a truism about most birds, it also applies to most humans.

Not only do we want to party with our friends, we want our friends to cooperate in creating the future we believe in for ourselves, our families, our neighbors, etc.

And that's what political parties are all about - people sharing similar views and assisting each other, and their representatives in government, in achieving their shared goals.

The elimination of the current 2-Party affiliaions in the election process will "force" people to form new associations and groupings which more truly represent the diversity of opinions, instead of "forcing" people to compromise themselves into Democrat, Republican, non-affiliated, or a 3rd Party as is the current reality.

New Parties (cf. Israel, Costa Rica, Switzerland, et al) will be formed and the candidates in their campaign literature must indicate which of the "new" Party philosophies they support.

The practical result is that each House and Senate of the states and the federal government will be comprised of members of numerous Parties, each reflecting their constituents. Each member will then vote from conscience, Party platform, campaign promise, or "whatever" - and explain his/her rational to the consituency that elected him/her.

Ad hoc caucuses, blocs and coalitions will be formed between members for each major legislative issue, allowing every permutation of belief, pragmatic and ideological opinion of the voters to be represented separately on each issue.

The previous "things to do" is directed specifically at legislative and judicial office elections. I do see the need for federal Presidential and Vice-Presidential elections to be Party identified on the ballot in both Primary and General elections, as those offices represent not on the chief executive and commander-in-chief but also the nominal head of their political Party.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrutney wrote:
facebook, twitter and all the other social networking sites could very well be the joker in the deck.

we may not even know the name of the next president of the united states.

(but we probably do...it's that jolly old irishman....paddy o'bama)


Obama's visit to the Irish village of his emigrant ancestor is a brilliant stroke of genius.  It subliminally reinforces the "white" identification for next year's election.  

The "black" side was pushed in 2008 and won the young vote and those of people of color in droves - more than the white votes he lost.  If the young and people of color turn out next year they will again vote for Obama, so it is important now for Obama to be seen as the homogenized mix of ancestry - like more and more people are, and are accepted as.

I concur with your social networking comment.  We first saw its power at the 2008 National Conventions, and of course this year in the Arab Spring.  
Newt announced his candidacy with a tweet!
Big and difficult to trace bucks will be poured into the social networking sites.  
I'm already using Facebook successfully in spreading my pacifist and political propaganda.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm already using Facebook successfully in spreading my pacifist and political propaganda.


jeez, (sez the bum reject to the hot dog salesman) ya wouldn't want to share a link, wouldja?

bier wrote:
Obama's visit to the Irish village of his emigrant ancestor is a brilliant stroke of genius.  It subliminally reinforces the "white" identification for next year's election


insert black irish joke here.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrutney wrote:
bier, the link you posted directs to an online spiral notebook thing with the spiral obscuring some pertinent words...so i thought i'd simplify matters


Not any more!  I dumped the spiral notebook screen.  Thanks for the 411, and thanks for the clean post.

scrutney wrote:
jeez, (sez the bum reject to the hot dog salesman) ya wouldn't want to share a [Facebook] link, wouldja?


I'm still learning how to use Facebook - I sneak in with my WebTv pretending to be a mobile device and all the apps don't work.

Anyway try these:
My wall http://m.facebook.com/wall.php?time=1294538175&refid=17

My profile
http://m.facebook.com/profile.php?refid=20

bier wrote:
Obama's visit to the Irish village of his emigrant ancestor is a brilliant stroke of genius.  It subliminally reinforces the "white" identification for next year's election


scrutney wrote:
insert black irish joke here.


The holy trinity; the Irish, the black Irish and the bicycle Irish.

One of my brothers-in-law is black Irish with the others all red headed, red cheeked, red nosed etc.

My ancestry is middle Europe but I look just like my Irish brothers-in-law.

Some years ago one St. Patrick's Day in San Francisco at a famous Irish shindig - IRISH ONLY - my wife and I were waved in, as her black Irish brother was blocked at the door.  He was pissed, and spent the evening in the back of the bus, drinking alone - where he really got pissed.  Damn black Irish!
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

both links direct to my facebook history.

don't worry bout it...i'll find you.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent speech by Chris Christie at the Ronald Reagan Library last night.  

He's still not running.

A snippet from USA Today:

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He mocked Obama as "a bystander in the Oval Office" who was preparing to divide the nation along economic lines to win another four years in Washington, apparently alluding to the president's jobs bill, which proposes that wealthy Americans and big corporations pay more in taxes.

Obama is "telling those who are scared and struggling that the only way their lives can get better is to diminish the success of others," Christie said. He's "insisting that we must tax and take and demonize those who have already achieved the American Dream."

After the speech, Christie was asked repeatedly during the question-and-answer session if he would reconsider a presidential run. He declined, as he has many times before.


Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/poli...1-09-27/Chris-Christie/50575646/1
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But according to this mornings news (ABC), he did leave that door slightly ajar.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coebul wrote:
But according to this mornings news (ABC), he did leave that door slightly ajar.


from the washington post:

Is Christie ready to be president?


By Dan Balz, Wednesday, September 28, 1:11 PM

It was about this time five years ago when political strategist David Axelrod sat down and wrote a memo to then-Sen. Barack Obama, who was seriously considering whether to run for president after months and months of saying he would not.

“History is replete with potential candidates for presidency who waited too long rather than examples of people who ran too soon. . . . You will never be hotter than you are right now. . . . In short, there are many reasons to believe that if you are ever to run for presidency this is the time.”

Those words could easily be included in a memo that one of Chris Christie’s advisers might be sending to the New Jersey governor now, for many of the same elements that led Axelrod to encourage Obama to run in 2008 apply to Christie at this moment.

Christie’s blunt style has captured the imaginations of many Republicans, as Obama’s hope and change message stirred Democrats then. He is a fresh face in a party that is in transition and looking for something more than it sees on the horizon. He is being encouraged to run by ordinary citizens, wealthy fundraisers and party leaders who see an opportunity for victory in 2012 and don’t want to let it slip away.

Axelrod’s memo contained another piece of advice relevant to Christie’s decision-making, which is that the incumbent president defines the coming election and that, if there is unrest in the country, voters will be looking not for a replica but for a replacement. Whatever negative qualities they see in the incumbent, they will be looking for the opposite.

Axelrod was speaking of the qualities of leadership of then-President George W. Bush that had left the country deeply unhappy. He described them as stubbornness, hyperpartisanship and a tendency to place ideology over reason. Axelrod argued that Obama, better than any other potential Democratic candidate in 2008, fit the moment. “You are uniquely suited for these times,” he wrote.

Five years later, after persistent economic problems and a breakdown in government in Washington, the perceptions of Obama have changed, which is why he is vulnerable in next year’s election. To some Republicans, no one offers a more distinctive alternative to Obama’s style of leadership than Christie.

Republican challengers to Obama will make the argument that both different policies and a different kind of leadership are needed to get the country moving, which was part of Christie’s goal when he spoke at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on Tuesday night. He outlined that case against the president in ways designed to draw obvious comparisons with his own hard-charging style.

Christie belittled Obama as a “bystander in the Oval Office” and a chief executive who lacks the courage to lead. “We hope,” he added, “that he will shake off the paralysis that has made it impossible for him to take on the really big things that are obvious to all Americans and to a watching and anxious world community.”

He sought to portray Obama as a passive actor and himself as Mr. Take Charge. There is a simple rule for effective governance, he said: “When there is a problem, you fix it. That is the job you have been sent to do, and you cannot wait for someone else to do it for you.”

If Americans decide they want a replacement for Obama, Christie’s advocates will argue who better than someone who is bold and brash, someone willing to shake up the system, to get in the face of opponents or of slow-moving legislators or even the voters. Someone, in other words, determined to get results.

It is easy to imagine someone around Christie telling him today: You are uniquely suited for these times. That is the essential case for running, that candidates don’t always get the chance to pick their moment. Bush said in fall 1998, as the pressure kept mounting for him to run for president, that he felt “like a cork in a raging river” bobbing his way toward the inevitable decision to become a candidate.

The year 2000 was Bush’s moment, whether he thought that would be the ideal time or not. The same was true for Obama in 2008, whether he believed another few years of national experience would have been helpful.

Christie might not get another moment like this. By 2016, if the GOP doesn’t hold the White House, a new generation of Republicans will be ready to step forward to battle for the party’s nomination. Christie might not seem unique or as fresh or appealing by then as he does today.

He might, however, be more qualified to serve as president starting in 2017 than he is today. By that time, assuming he wins reelection in 2013, he will have been a chief executive for seven years. He will have a more complete record in New Jersey for voters to weigh. He will have learned lessons he hasn’t yet. He will, if he applies himself, know the country and the world better than he does now.

Christie exudes self-confidence, but until this latest round of Christie Fever, he has shown some humility in at least one area, which is the question of whether he is ready to be president. He has expressed misgivings about whether he could really do the job as he thinks it should be done.

If he is genuinely reconsidering whether to run in 2012, the most important question he will have to answer is not can he win the election, though even that is a difficult question. He might look like the ideal candidate to those urging him to run, but no one comes to the starting gate of a presidential campaign without flaws and liabilities. No one can say with any certainty what kind of national candidate he would be.

Still, the most important question is the one about readiness. Does he believe that, if he were to win, he could effectively lead a country in the throes of serious economic problems and a partisan environment in Washington and nationally that has made governing more and more difficult? That is a deeply personal question and only Christie can answer it.


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