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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

auntmartymoo wrote:

The stats that really surprised me are the ones on NPR.  It ranks high for credibility??  The only thing I can figure is that no conservatives listen to it (besides you and me) and therefore none of the conservatives in the poll knew how biased they are.  Granted, like CNN, they are considerably more subtle in their bias...but they're still biased as hell.

i think the reason that npr doesn't get called out on their bias more often is that people are usually driving when they listen to "morning edition" and "all things distorted" and by the time that little "bs" bell starts to ring in the back of their head....something, a squirrel jumps out, a cell phone rings...but something distracts them.
when you're driving a car you're only half listening to the radio.

which of course doesn't explain the diane rehm show, but honestly, can anything explain the diane rehm show?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much watch them all.  When I post something from Fox I try to check at least 2 other sources...  

FOX "does" report on stories other networks ignore.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How often do those "2 other sources" prove Fox wrong?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reposting my thoughts from an earlier discussion on "trust" and media outlets on another thread, which includes some May 2011 poll results.
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[Polling people on which media outlet they trust] is like polling people on which fast food burger franchise do you trust the most.  

Unless you also ask "which fast food burgers have you eaten" the poll results may not really have much to do with trust, but simply reflect where you eat - a choice determined by a variety of factors..  

Re the TV "trust" issue I note we've discussed the viewership numbers many times (use "search").  
Unless we know which of the respondents watch multiple media sources, the numbers may simply reflect which network some family member selects - and selection process (like the burger choice) may have multiple reasons beyond simply "trust."

Anyway responses from the two questions #58 and #59 at the end of the 5/18/11 nationwide poll of likely voters at http://www.suffolk.edu/offices/46652.html
where you can click the "Marginals" for details.

Question 58, trust of News Outlets:
FOX 28%,
CNN 18%,
Undecided 12%
Other 10%,
NBC 10%,
MSNBC 7%,
ABC 6%,
CBS 6%,
C-SPAN 3%

(Compare with Gallup's "Trust in Institutions poll in May 2011 where "Television News" sources are considered trustworthy by 11% overall).

The results indicate to me what we've discussed many times; the inability to distinquish between news and editorial commentary within a given so-called "news" broadcast - especially on highly charged political issues and politicians the actual facts are rarely simply broadcast without an associated point of view (in words and non-verbals), including personal attacks on individuals, family members etc.  

I've been sampling all the news sources listed in the poll for a few months now, and NONE except C-SPAN clearly distinguish between actual news and editorial opinion within a broadcast.  

That C-SPAN only receives 3% on the "trust" poll reflects my burger analogy analysis and opinion.
     === end repost ===

Nothing's changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsiya wrote:
How often do those "2 other sources" prove Fox wrong?
I really can't answer that.  If I don't find other sources I do not post the piece.  

Make no mistake Fox has a bias just like the other networks.  IMHO after you put the bias aside.  Fox's coverage it better than other MSM.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
Reposting my thoughts from an earlier discussion on "trust" and media outlets on another thread, which includes some May 2011 poll results.
            - begin repost -
[Polling people on which media outlet they trust] is like polling people on which fast food burger franchise do you trust the most.  

Unless you also ask "which fast food burgers have you eaten" the poll results may not really have much to do with trust, but simply reflect where you eat - a choice determined by a variety of factors..  

Re the TV "trust" issue I note we've discussed the viewership numbers many times (use "search").  
Unless we know which of the respondents watch multiple media sources, the numbers may simply reflect which network some family member selects - and selection process (like the burger choice) may have multiple reasons beyond simply "trust."

Anyway responses from the two questions #58 and #59 at the end of the 5/18/11 nationwide poll of likely voters at http://www.suffolk.edu/offices/46652.html
where you can click the "Marginals" for details.

Question 58, trust of News Outlets:
FOX 28%,
CNN 18%,
Undecided 12%
Other 10%,
NBC 10%,
MSNBC 7%,
ABC 6%,
CBS 6%,
C-SPAN 3%

(Compare with Gallup's "Trust in Institutions poll in May 2011 where "Television News" sources are considered trustworthy by 11% overall).

The results indicate to me what we've discussed many times; the inability to distinquish between news and editorial commentary within a given so-called "news" broadcast - especially on highly charged political issues and politicians the actual facts are rarely simply broadcast without an associated point of view (in words and non-verbals), including personal attacks on individuals, family members etc.  

I've been sampling all the news sources listed in the poll for a few months now, and NONE except C-SPAN clearly distinguish between actual news and editorial opinion within a broadcast.  

That C-SPAN only receives 3% on the "trust" poll reflects my burger analogy analysis and opinion.
     === end repost ===

Nothing's changed.


Go hijack another thread!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
C-SPAN 3%

(Compare with Gallup's "Trust in Institutions poll in May 2011 where "Television News" sources are considered trustworthy by 11% overall).

The results indicate to me what we've discussed many times; the inability to distinquish between news and editorial commentary within a given so-called "news" broadcast - especially on highly charged political issues and politicians the actual facts are rarely simply broadcast without an associated point of view (in words and non-verbals), including personal attacks on individuals, family members etc.  

I've been sampling all the news sources listed in the poll for a few months now, and NONE except C-SPAN clearly distinguish between actual news and editorial opinion within a broadcast.  

That C-SPAN only receives 3% on the "trust" poll reflects my burger analogy analysis and opinion.
     === end repost ===

Nothing's changed.


me?...i don't trust any of them.
but i do like a tasy burger.

it is interesting that c-span polled as low as it did. but not surprising.
first off, two quotes from wikipedia:
Quote:
C-SPAN is operated by the National Cable Satellite Corporation, a nonprofit organization[13] whose board of directors consists primarily of representatives of the largest cable companies.
<snip>
As the network is an independent entity, neither the cable industry nor Congress has power over the content of its programming.


Quote:
Despite its stated commitment to providing politically balanced programming, C-SPAN and its shows such as Washington Journal, Booknotes, Q & A, and Afterwords have been accused by left-leaning organizations of having a conservative bias.[105] In 2005, the media criticism organization Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) released a study of C-SPAN's morning call-in show Washington Journal, showing that Republicans were favored as guests over Democrats by a two-to-one margin during a six-month period that year, and that people of color are underrepresented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-SPAN

yeah...i know, we're talking about trust here...and no sane person trusts wikipedia as their final go to source.

however i think the public perception may be that; c-span is an arm of the government...although i have not one shred of evidence to back that assertion up.

if that is the case...i can see why conservatives, liberals and those stranded in the middle of the road don't trust c-span.

i remain dumbfounded that fox news topped the list.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the math.

Conservatives spread their "trust" amongst ONE station...cuz they only have one!  It's a monopoly.

Liberals, moderates, and the like...spread their "trust" amongst several stations, thereby lowering the percentages of the Non-Fox channels.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

auntmartymoo wrote:
It's the math.

Conservatives spread their "trust" amongst ONE station...cuz they only have one!  It's a monopoly.

Liberals, moderates, and the like...spread their "trust" amongst several stations, thereby lowering the percentages of the Non-Fox channels.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been far too much math in here lately.  Math sucks.


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