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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

auntmartymoo wrote:
There has been far too much math in here lately.  Math sucks.


no kidding.
try explaining the electoral college to a 14 year old.

hey, he asked and i tried.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you explain it from Jefferson's POV it makes a lot of sense, city people are batcrap crazy. We now have absolute proof!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW VOTE COUNT DISCREPANCIES CAST FURTHER DOUBT ON ACCURACY OF ELECTION RESULTS

Stuart, FL – West for Congress today sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State, Ken Detzner, detailing vote count discrepancies uncovered during a review of public records released today from the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections office. Specifically, while the campaign has not yet been provided access to the poll book information for votes cast on Election Day, an examination of the early and absentee ballot information raises significant questions relating to nearly 1,000 votes.

According to Tim Edson, West for Congress campaign manager, “If there is this much discrepancy for early and absentee ballots, just imagine how inaccurate the counts might be for all precincts on Election Day. As we have said from the beginning, we are simply seeking an accurate and fair count of all votes so that we may preserve the integrity of the voting process for the citizens of District 18.”

Read the full text of the letter here.
http://library.constantcontact.co...Letter+to+SecState+11+15+2012.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Palm Beach Post, a liberal paper.

Recount early votes in Patrick Murphy-Allen West race

By Andrew Marra
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
“I’m not perfect,” St. Lucie County Elections Supervisor Gertrude Walker said Tuesday. “Neither is my staff.” Given the events of the past week, it’s hard to disagree. Because of her office’s flawed handling of last week’s election, uncertainty hangs needlessly over Patrick Murphy’s stunning defeat of Rep. Allen West.
Ms. Walker was stating the obvious when she admitted fallibility at a news conference, as reported by TCPalm.com. But when you’re overseeing a congressional election whose margin of victory is less than 1 percent, there isn’t much room for error.
And Ms. Walker has admitted to a big error: double-counting some ballots cast during early voting and ignoring others. After partially recounting some of the early voting results on Sunday, her office discovered that it had double-counted the equivalent of 799 votes in the Murphy-West race and named the wrong winner in Fort Pierce’s mayoral race. The mayor’s race is now undergoing an automatic recount because the margin of victory was less than 0.5 percent. But the U.S. House District 18 race is in a sort of limbo, with Rep. West clamoring in court for all early votes to be recounted and Mr. Murphy calling for him to concede.
So troubling was the county’s performance that the state Division of Elections this week sent officials to inspect the results. A spokesman told TCPalm.com: “We are not aware of any counties experiencing the same issues as St. Lucie.” We endorsed Mr. Murphy, and few things would please us more than to see Rep. West’s two years in Congress fade like a bad dream. But he says he will not concede until St. Lucie County recounts all early votes, and we can see his point.
After Rep. West first raised questions about the handling of St. Lucie’s early vote, Ms. Walker and the county’s canvassing board agreed to recount all 37,000 ballots from the eight-day early voting period. But on Sunday, they changed, deciding instead to recount only about 16,000 ballots cast during the last three days. The reason: The problems that affected the West-Murphy race seemed confined only to those days. Sure enough, her office found problems. The discovery that some ballots were counted twice, and others not at all, narrowed Mr. Murphy’s lead by 535, to 1,907 — a 0.58 percent edge. Only a 0.50 percent margin can trigger an automatic recount.
After admitting such an egregious error, Ms. Walker wants the public to trust her when she says the problems were limited to those last three days of early voting. But she has given voters little reason for confidence. In an abundance of caution, St. Lucie County needs to recount all 37,000 early votes, not just the ones that Ms. Walker believes were problematic.
Although Ms. Walker is claiming in court that she can’t legally do a full recount, state law allows a county to double-check its tally if it thinks that the initial results might contain an error. Had the canvassing board gone ahead and done this Sunday for all the early voting ballots, everything might have been resolved. As it is, more than a week has passed since Election Day, and uncertainty hangs over the District 18 race. Only a full recounting of all early voting ballots can end the doubts that St. Lucie’s botched vote-tallying has raised.
Andrew Marra
for The Post Editorial Board

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GERTRUDE WALKER’S MATH SIMPLY DOESN’T ADD UP

Every statement from St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections raises more questions about election results

Stuart, FL – West for Congress released this statement regarding the growing inconsistencies and continued obfuscation coming from St. Lucie County Board of Supervisors, Gertrude Walker, regarding the election results.

“Last night during a press conference, the Supervisor announced her office had determined that approximately 3,650 ballots were double-counted on election night, and approximately 1,950 ballots were not counted at all, with all ballots coming from the last three days of early voting – which is what was retabulated on Sunday. However, if this information is accurate, the total vote in the county should have decreased by 1,700 votes after the Sunday retabulation. Instead the total votes cast declined by 799. It simply does not add up.

In addition, according to news reports, the Supervisor of Elections announced her office re-ran some 26,000 ballots from early voting. This would account for the first 6 days of the 8 days of early voting. However, on election night, the campaign staff was told there was a problem with the first 3 days of voting, which would involve approximately 13,000 ballots based on information uploaded to the Division of Elections. What is the truth?

Finally, during the same press conference, the Supervisor announced there were some “blank” memory cards involved. If these “blank” memory cards were in reference to the election night decision to retabulate 26,000 ballots, then the cards processed on the first 5 days of early voting have been processed twice, the ballots on day 6 have been processed three times, and of the ballots on the last two days, some have been processed twice and some only once. Whether this resulted through mechanical malfunction, negligence or willful action, the voters of St. Lucie County deserve to know their votes have been fairly counted.

Towards that end, we are pleased Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner has decided to send auditors to St. Lucie County to examine the returns and the ballot-counting process, and we have detailed our concerns to him in a letter today.

The West campaign is simply seeking the truth, and an accurate count of votes. Given the inconsistencies emanating from the Supervisor’s office, we have no confidence in any of the information regarding the votes counted or the election results overall.”

http://www.allenwestforcongress.c...alkers-math-simply-doesnt-add-up/
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Updated: 8:04 p.m. Friday, Nov. 16, 2012 | Posted: 7:24 p.m. Friday, Nov. 16, 2012
304 ballots never counted in Murphy-West recount; St. Lucie elections supervisor in hospital

Election 2012: Latest news on all the races


Editorial: Recount early votes in Patrick Murphy-Allen West race
By George Bennett and Christine Stapleton
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
FORT PIERCE — After a judge denied U.S. Rep. Allen West‘s request that he order a recount of 37,379 ballots from early voting in St. Lucie County, the Florida Division of Elections tonight recommended to the St. Lucie Canvassing Board that they recount all eight days of early voting.
The “personal” recommendation from state Division of Elections official David Drury came as St. Lucie elections officials acknowledged they had 304 early voting ballots that were never counted.
The officials wheeled boxes containing the ballots out of St. Lucie Elections Supervisor Gertrude Walker’s office after Drury said 304 votes ballot might be missing.
Walker, St. Lucie’s elections supervisor since 1980, was not at the canvassing board meeting tonight and has been out of the office all day, her lawyer said.
She has been undergoing tests at the hospital, the lawyer said.
Meanwhile, the count of overseas ballots in Congressional District 18’s three counties of Palm Beach, St. Lucie and Martin gave Democrat Patrick Murphy a net of two votes.
West won 34 overseas votes to Murphy’s 29 in Palm Beach County, 5 to Murphy’s 3 in Martin and 11 to Murphy’s 20 in St. Lucie.
Earlier today, Treasure Coast Circuit Judge Dan Vaughn said he did not have the authority to issue an injunction ordering the recount, which West wanted after problems emerged in the counting of early votes on election night.
Before the overseas count, unofficial returns showed Murphy leading the race by 1,907 votes or 0.58 percent in District 18, which includes St. Lucie, Martin and northern Palm Beach counties.
West has not conceded.
In denying West’s motion, Vaughn noted the canvassing board is considering the issue at a meeting this afternoon. The judge also said that West has other legal remedies — specifically mentioning a statute that allows a candidate to contest an election within 10 days of the final certification of results. That certification is scheduled for Tuesday.
After West filed his motion for an injunction on Tuesday in St. Lucie County circuit court, the canvassing board on Thursday scheduled a meeting for this afternoon to consider a full recount of early votes.
Murphy attorney Gerald Richman said in court today that there is no basis for a full recount of early votes and if the canvassing board orders a full recount of them, the Murphy campaign will go to court to try to block it.
“If the canvassing board were to decide that they want to do that without any evidentiary basis to do so, we’ll be back before your honor with a motion for injunctive relief against them doing it because under the law the statute that we cited for your honor they have absolutely no right to do it,” Richman said.
“Now we’re getting both sides threatening us,” said St. Lucie County Attorney Dan McIntyre, representing the canvassing board.
The canvassing board originally planned a full recount of early votes after some were double-counted and others were ignored on election night. But after announcing the full recount late Saturday, the board reversed course Sunday morning and decided to only recount 16,275 ballots from three of the eight days of early voting.
That recount resulted in 799 early votes vanishing from the West-Murphy race. West argued the irregularities that came to light in the partial recount merited a full recount.
West’s attorneys also amended their complaint this morning to ask for a recount of approximately 37,000 absentee ballots from St. Lucie County, but Vaughn did not rule on that petition.
In an amended complaint filed this morning, the West campaign says its review of absentee ballot records shows “significant problems” with those ballots as well the early votes. The West camp says that in some precincts, the number of absentee votes recorded exceeds the number of voters who are listed as casting absentee ballots.
Under Florida law, a candidate must be within 0.5 percent to merit a recount. Murphy’s margin is larger. The West campaign technically wanted the judge — and now the canvassing board — to order a “retabulation” under Florida statutes, which allow a county to conduct such an exercise if it finds errors in its initial tabulation of votes.
If there is a retabulation, West would need to gain a few hundred votes to get within 0.5 percent and trigger a full recount from all three counties.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST. LUCIE COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD ORDERS RETABULATION OF ALL EARLY VOTES IN ALLEN WEST RACE


Posted on November 16, 2012 at 9:17pm   The St. Lucie County Canvassing Board has ordered the retabulation of all early votes in the highly contested congressional race between Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) and Democrat Patrick Murphy, according to Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a volunteer lawyer for the West campaign. The board voted 2-1 in favor of recounting the votes.

“This retabulation of all early votes as the Supervisor of Elections originally planned is a victory for democracy,” Shapiro told TheBlaze. “This restores some level of trust and public confidence in the system…it was the right thing to do.”

Election officials will begin retabulating the roughly 20,000 additional early votes cast in St. Lucie County at 9 a.m. on Saturday, he said.

West needs to gain just 249 votes in those 20,000 ballots to trigger a statutory recount under state law, Shapiro told TheBlaze. West gained 535 votes in the initial recount of 16,275 ballots. Both candidates combined lost 800 votes, however, 80 percent of the decrease was owned by Murphy.

Before the canvassing board voted, state Division of Elections official David Drury made a “personal” recommendation that all early votes in the county be retabulated after officials realized there were 304 early voting ballots that were never counted. There was also reportedly a missing “communications log.”

A circuit judge dealt the West campaign a blow earlier on Friday after he ruled he didn’t have the authority to order a county-wide recount of early votes.

The Murphy campaign has vowed to go to court in order to prevent a recount of all early voting ballots in St. Lucie County.

“If the canvassing board were to decide that they want to do that without any evidentiary basis to do so, we’ll be back before your honor with a motion for injunctive relief against them doing it because under the law the statute that we cited for your honor they have absolutely no right to do it,” Murphy attorney Gerald Richman said in court on Friday.



This is a breaking news story and will be updated.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/s...e-early-votes-in-allen-west-race/
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Statement from Allen West on Canvassing Board’s Decision

November 17, 2012
ST. LUCIE COUNTY AGREES TO RETABULATE ALL DAYS OF EARLY VOTING

Stuart, FL – Tonight the St. Lucie County Canvassing Board agreed to retabulate all eight days of early voting in the congressional race for Florida’s 18th District beginning at 9:00 a.m on Saturday, November 17th.

“We are pleased the Canvassing Board has done the right thing for the voters of St Lucie County by agreeing to a retabulation of early votes,” said Allen West. ”All we have been fighting for since the very beginning is to ensure the citizens of this county have their votes accurately and fairly counted.”

“Tonight’s development is a victory for the voters of St. Lucie County, said Tim Edson, West for Congress campaign manager, ”Despite the best efforts of Patrick Murphy and his team of attorneys to suppress the vote, the citizens of St. Lucie County will rest easy tonight knowing their voices will be heard.”

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Media admitting voter fraud in Allen West race.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West-Murphy race hangs in balance as St. Lucie County prepares to retabulate all early votes

Posted: 10:24 PM
Last Updated: 31 minutes ago
By: Alex Sanz
By: James Kirley, TCPalm
FORT PIERCE, Fla. - FORT PIERCE — St. Lucie County election workers are getting ready to start recounting ballots this morning at the county Supervisor of Elections office as they prepare to recount eight days of early voting ballots that could impact the tight District 18 congressional race between Patrick Murphy and Allen West.
Shortly before 10 a.m. Murphy lawyer Liz Powers publicly informed the county Canvassing Board the campaign filed for a preliminary injunction Saturday morning to prevent the recount from going forward.
However, Assistant County Attorney Heather Young said she had not yet received any court orders and the recounting of early voting ballots commenced.
Canvassing Board member Tod Mowery addressed a crowd gathered behind a barrier of orange traffic cones that separated observers from machines and election workers. About 100 people were at the elections office this morning for the 9 a.m. recount.
The decision to recount the ballots came after a state elections auditor on Friday found a box of 306 early ballots that never were counted.
The decision came hours after a St. Lucie County judge denied a request by U.S. Rep. Allen West for a full recount of early votes in the race for the 18th Congressional district.
The recount of every early vote cast for every race was expected to begin on Saturday morning and would include the three days of early voting that were retabulated earlier this week.
Tod Mowery, a member of the Canvassing Board, said the ballots -- which were found in a box -- had not been counted.
"We are pleased the Canvassing Board has done the right thing for the voters of St Lucie County by agreeing to a retabulation of early votes," said West. "All we have been fighting for since the very beginning is to ensure the citizens of this county have their votes accurately and fairly counted."
Earlier on Friday, attorneys for West argued that discrepancies in vote totals and reported equipment malfunctions warranted a recount to ensure the integrity of the race.
Attorneys for Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker and Patrick Murphy, the projected winner of the race, countered that Judge Dan Vaughn would have invited error and chaos if he had sided with West.
Vaughn said the elements for a temporary injunction had not been met.
West, the Tea Party favorite who appeared to be headed for defeat, has refused to concede.
After a partial recount of ballots cast during the final three days of early voting in St. Lucie County, Murphy, a Democrat, led West by 1,907 votes or a margin of more than 0.5% — more than what would trigger an automatic recount.
“It stands to reason that if the remaining early votes were to be recounted, additional errors would be uncovered and the tabulation of votes revised accordingly,” Allen West for Congress said in a statement.
The campaign called the recount a “sham” and said all eight days of early voting in St. Lucie County should be have been recounted.
Late Thursday, West's attorneys said they had discovered possible discrepancies in St. Lucie County after a review of early and absentee ballot information.
Nearly 1,000 votes may be in question, according to Tim Edson, Allen West for Congress campaign manager.
In a letter to Secretary of State Ken Detzner, attorneys said 110 early votes were cast in a precinct that didn’t have enough early voters to support the number of votes cast.
Four hundred eighty-eight people cast early votes in precinct 28, they said, but election returns showed 499 early votes were counted.
Attorneys also raised concerns about 121 voters they said had returned absentee ballots but did not appear to have been assigned precinct.
Earlier, volunteer attorneys for West had petitioned Detzner to conduct a preliminary investigation into the election and for a machine recount in three counties.
Attorneys Mark Young and Jeffrey Scott Shapiro said 809 votes disappeared when the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections retabulated the final three days of early votes on Sunday.
Young and Shapiro said the missing votes, which accounted for 3.2% of the retabulated votes, amounted to an irregularity.
After the retabulation, West received a net increase of 535 votes over Murphy.
“On faith and belief, if this trend continues, for the remaining votes, the final outcome of the Congressional election could change,” Yound and Shapiro said.
David Drury, a Florida Division of Elections bureau chief, arrived in St. Lucie County on Wednesday to begin an audit of how the county’s canvassing board ran the election.
A spokesperson for Detzner said he expected Drury and two others from the state’s Bureau of Voting Systems Certification to remain in St. Lucie County through the weekend.
Last week, a Palm Beach County Circuit Court judge denied a request by West to impound voting machines and recount ballots.
West has less than one week left to contest the election.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/regi...ate-all-early-votes#ixzz2CVFB0AnA


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