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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

tsiya wrote:
Picking McCain was the big mistake.


Sorta like picking Romney this year?

If the Tea Partiers, and Libertarians, and Progressives, and Liberals, and other 3rd Parties - all with their individual and separate principled beliefs of government and society -  ever got together and agreed to withdraw their financial support and membership from the Democratic and Republican Parties, they could VOTE OUT the existing Members of Congress in the 2014 elections, and VOTE IN members of their own Parties.

There'd be 5 or 6 Party Caucuses in congress, and the MCs could again vote their consciences and their promises to their respective constituencies.

After a bit of stumbling around and non-passage of any legislation, "ad hoc" coalitions and compromises would begin to be formed on every issue - a democratic republican government as envisioned by the Framers once again.

The federal government would cease to be the current "government of the corporations (both businesses and unions), financiers, and bankers" and once again become the "government of and by the people."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have much to donate but it goes to selected candidates and for selected issues. There is no point in supporting NRA and GOA, for example, and also supporting any candidate or organization with contradictory interests. I don't trust anyone to direct my contributions. I get at least one RNC call a day, recognize the number and ignore it. It's too bad, but they aren't truly republican anymore.
There are more people doing this than you might imagine.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
tsiya wrote:
Picking McCain was the big mistake.


Sorta like picking Romney this year?
Could be!  We will know in 99 days won't we?

bieramar wrote:
If the Tea Partiers, and Libertarians, and Progressives, and Liberals, and other 3rd Parties - all with their individual and separate principled beliefs of government and society -  ever got together and agreed to withdraw their financial support and membership from the Democratic and Republican Parties, they could VOTE OUT the existing Members of Congress in the 2014 elections, and VOTE IN members of their own Parties.

There'd be 5 or 6 Party Caucuses in congress, and the MCs could again vote their consciences and their promises to their respective constituencies.
With 5-6 parties you would have a fuster cluck.  Reforming campaign finance would go a lot farther in changing the shape of Congress and the White House then 5-6 parties.  

bieramar wrote:
After a bit of stumbling around and non-passage of any legislation, "ad hoc" coalitions and compromises would begin to be formed on every issue - a democratic republican government as envisioned by the Framers once again.

The federal government would cease to be the current "government of the corporations (both businesses and unions), financiers, and bankers" and once again become the "government of and by the people."
We disagree.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an essay many years ago, don't remember where or who, but it basically asked the question, "should a free people be allowed to vote themselves and their entire society into bondage"?
We seem to be facing that situation now, dependence vs independence. I know that Bier doesn't see his goals as repressive, but they are to those who don't share his mindset.
We have just about reached the immovable object vs irresistible force point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsiya wrote:
I don't have much to donate but it goes to selected candidates and for selected issues....

I get at least one RNC call a day, recognize the number and ignore it. It's too bad, but they aren't truly republican anymore.

There are more people doing this than you might imagine.

[and in a later post, referencing a political essay]

"Should a free people be allowed to vote themselves and their entire society into bondage?"

We seem to be facing that situation now, dependence vs independence. I know that Bier doesn't see his goals as repressive, but they are to those who don't share his mindset.


Florida voter registrations: a rising tide of independence

July 30, 2012
Palm Beach Post

The number of independent voters has climbed steadily in Florida since 1972 - when Democrats had an overwhelming majority with 68.5 percent of voters, Republicans had 28.2 percent and independents, only 3.4 percent.

But since since the infamous November 2000 election, the number of independent voters in the state has swelled more than 75 percent, from 1.5 million in 2000 to 2.7 million today, making up 23.8 percent of the statewide voting electorate.

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The main significance is the de-registration from the GOP and DEM Parties in Florida since 2000 - A CLOSED PRIMARY STATE.

Almost one in four registered voters have disenfranchised themselves from the opportunity to have a say in the selection of the major Party candidates in most elections - a hard decision/step, but a necessary one as they try to free themselves from dependence on a Political Party.

And Florida remains in the 20th century dark ages of Party control of the nominating process for both major Parties.  

Nationwide only 24 of the 57 (42%) Democratic Primary states and territories are "Closed"; and 31 of the 56 (55%) Republican ones. Which means that in half the country it no longer is necessary to belong to the GOP or DEM Party to exercise your right to vote for candidate in the first tier of the election process.

About half the nation has made a significant first, albeit "baby," step in shedding the voters' dependence on the Parties control.

Which step has resulted in many non-affiliated and/or 3rd Party candidates not only appearing on ballots, but also getting elected across the nation.  

In June RasmussenReports™ survey of the U.S. Adult population asking the question 'Do you consider yourself....' resulted in respondents self-identify as
35.4% Republicans, 34.0% Democrats, and 30.5% Unaffiliated - compare to Florida's 23.8% who register other than GOP/DEM.

And when Likely Voters (contrasted with Adults, or Registered Voters) in Open Primary states were asked, in regard to the upcoming November elections, 'Do you consider yourself....' a June poll showed  43% responded Unaffiliated, 33% Democrat and 24% Republican.

The next "giant" step which must be taken by the growing plurality of principled independents is to completely disassociate themselves from ALL Party connections, both in registrations and in financial contributions.


The referenced question, "Should a free people be allowed to vote themselves and their entire society into bondage?" isn't just a rhetorical one for the purpose of discussion.

The "should" part of the question was answered when the U.S. Constitution was written, ratified and amended. The answer was "yes."

The question now is "What can a free people do via their vote when they find themselves in bondage?"

We - at least 90% of us - are currently in economic bondage because of the mixed capitalist economic system of "tax, borrow and spend" to provide for the non-working segments of society (instead of an economic system which insures that workers' wealth is sufficient to care for the non-workers) which our elected Members of Congress - Democrat and Republican in consort - legislated through the last half century.

We are also in political bondage because the process of removing and replacing those Members of Congress - Democrats and Republicans - is controlled by a few (via the 2-Party system), who are dedicated and committed to continue the economic bondage which redistributes the existing and newly created wealth to the upper 10%.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar that is utter bull shit.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palin Vows to Protect Ryan From What Happened to her in 2008

by Lexi Stemple  
August 12, 2012

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says she's "all in" for Romney-Ryan and promises to help make sure this time the vice presidential nominee's reputation "won't be thrashed."

Palin told Fox News she believes Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., will certainly be scrutinized and vetted. But the 2008 vice presidential candidate says she "will be darned" if the same thing happens to him that happened to her in 2008, when she alleges the McCain campaign did not protect her from the "lame-stream media."

Palin says that there are a lot of people like her who will have Ryan's back. "We will call out the media for their lies and distortions as they try to thrash his reputation and his record," she said.

Palin remembers being thrust into the race, "going from Wasilla to the national/international stage with about four days' preparation." She blames the McCain campaign for the bumpy ride.

"I felt when I was thrust into that spotlight I didn't have a lot of people in the McCain campaign who had my back and would correct the media because they had a lot of friends in the media, and they wanted jobs with the media afterwards. They didn't really defend what I really stood for and what my record was all about," Palin said.


Palin makes it clear that she doesn't blame her running-mate, and doesn't think anyone else should either. "I don't want any poor reflection on Sen. John McCain, whom I dearly love and respect."

When asked on "Fox News Sunday," McCain, R-Ariz., reflected positively on 2008, defending Palin. He called Ryan a "bold choice" just like his choice. "I'm still proud of my running mate, I'm proud of Sarah and her family, and I'm proud of the work we did," he said.

On Oct. 11, Ryan will debate the same man Palin debated four years earlier: Vice President Joe Biden. Palin predicts Paul will fare well in the debate - which she insists will focus on the economy. "He has already done his homework and will be very well prepared because of his Congressional experience," she said.

Palin dismisses criticism that she hasn't campaigned hard for Mitt Romney, saying that her mission is "help and not to hurt." She says that has meant "stepping back, and independently working for the enthusiasm needed for people to show up at the polls in November."

In addition to showing up at the polls, she is encouraging Romney-Ryan supporters to unite in prayer. "If there are prayer warriors out there, pray for the Ryan family, Romney's too because they will be under attack. And may they have the same prayer shield that we have had that allows us to keep going."
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http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com...otect-ryan-what-happened-her-2008
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An endorsement Romney/Ryan could have done without, IF in fact they are trying to sway the remaining undecided and independents.

Still whining and blaming others for not defending her "record" and what she "stood for."

When she herself refused to participate in media Q&As - or even acknowledge or respond to reporters' questions - about her record and what she stood for, as she traveled around the country and appeared in one staged appearance after another on the campaign trail in 2008.    

Add Palin to the growing list of well-known Republicans who WON'T be speaking at the GOP Convention in Florida this month.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you should do now is compile a list of democrats who don't want to be anywhere near the democrat hootenanny. Very Happy  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
Palin Vows to Protect Ryan From What Happened to her in 2008
She better get to work it's already started.  

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bieramar wrote:
An endorsement Romney/Ryan could have done without, IF in fact they are trying to sway the remaining undecided and independents.

Still whining and blaming others for not defending her "record" and what she "stood for."

When she herself refused to participate in media Q&As - or even acknowledge or respond to reporters' questions - about her record and what she stood for, as she traveled around the country and appeared in one staged appearance after another on the campaign trail in 2008.    

Add Palin to the growing list of well-known Republicans who WON'T be speaking at the GOP Convention in Florida this month.
And the list of speakers at the DNC convention.  Hell there are several well known Dems that are going to their own convention.  Wonder why?


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