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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
The federal government's role in economic solutions - when/if they occur - will be a result of the actions of Members of Congress, not any President.


Ridiculous.  Presidents have a HUGE effect on what legislation is proposed and (potentially) passed by members of Congress.  And Romney is likely to have a cooperative majority in Congress, a luxury that Obama squandered.

Obama is the poster boy for ideologues.  He wasted a year lobbying for ObamaCare when the pragmatic move to was to focus on jobs.  It proved he is blindly committed to the liberal elitist's wishlist regardless of the most pressing needs of the country.

Ok, neither of Romney or Obama are warmongers of any kind.  (With the exception of Obama's War on Prosperity.)  I'll give you that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama most certainly is an ideologue!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:
auntmartymoo wrote:
I know none of us are thrilled with having Mitt as our candidate....


I am - it will be a win/win election - regardless of whom is elected.


Mitt has a better chance of winning then any of the others save possibly Gingrich.  But he was torpedoed by the party leadership in favor of Romney.  

Romney has the machine.  He is not a social conservative and he has some business experience.  Granted AM and I will argue how much business exp he has but no matter what it is a great deal more then the ideologue currently in the White House.  

Wasn't it you that said GM would pay us back with a profit?  Not as long as they continue to toss money after the Volt.  7,000 sales in what 18 months?  Even turning the company over to the unions and they still can't make a decent car.  

And what of Solyndra, Gun runner, Fluke, 0bama care, threats against SCOTUS.  

The guy is a true American Looser.  And if this country buys into his garbage and re-elects him I guess we deserve what we get.  

But it is almost 200 days until the election...  We will see what we see.  

12 million unemployed/under employed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coebul wrote:

Mitt has a better chance of winning then any of the others save possibly Gingrich.  But he was torpedoed by the party leadership in favor of Romney.

No.  Not really.  

Gingrich built a crappy organization around himself and it imploded 2 or 3 times.  I love the man, but he is truly the absent-minded professor.  He's a genius about a lot of things, but organizing an election campaign isn't one of them.  He should have started earlier.  He should have raised more money.  He should have hired the best people.  He should have been more committed to the campaign process.  He should have worked harder.

But ultimately the reason none of the conservatives won the nomination this year is because they refused to consolidate.  Party leadership had nothing to do with it.  Voters had too many conservatives to chose between.  It's as simple as that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just the economy? Other issues may play role

July 14th, 2012

WASHINGTON - The economy is drawing much of the attention in the White House race, but the outcome may be decided on the margins by narrower issues that energize small but crucial slivers of the population.

For three months, the economy by most measures has faltered. Yet the White House contest has remained locked in place, with President Barack Obama holding a slight national lead or in a virtual tie with Mitt Romney.

Analysts from both parties have no doubt that without a defining, unpredictable moment, the race will remain neck and neck until November.

Several strategists say that means secondary issues such as health care, immigration, education, even little mentioned social issues such as abortion, guns or gay rights could make a difference when targeted to the right audiences.
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© 2012 The Associated Press.
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I think this is right on the money; it has finally become obvious to most Americans, including "likely voters," that the economy and unemployment have minimal-to-nothing to do with Obama, or any president past or future.

This is a new understanding, as the subjective perception that employment/unemployment, wages, benefits, etc. were due to a president's policy and promises has held sway for generations, as voters acted and reacted to their pocketbooks, and administration changes corresponded roughly with the cycles of the economy.

That old perception was always myth, as evidenced by all unbiased economic analysts, but perceptions most often trump real facts - unfortunately.

Congress can infuse dollars at the most, but national and international corporations determine the worldwide, and the U.S., economy.

What we've been seeing, and will continue to see until the election, are test balloons launched by the Obama and the Romney campaign managers - hoping that one will catch fire and inflame an emotional component of the electorate.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bieramar wrote:


I think this is right on the money; it has finally become obvious to most Americans, including "likely voters," that the economy and unemployment have minimal-to-nothing to do with Obama, or any president past or future.

This is a new understanding, as the subjective perception that employment/unemployment, wages, benefits, etc. were due to a president's policy and promises has held sway for generations, as voters acted and reacted to their pocketbooks, and administration changes corresponded roughly with the cycles of the economy.

That old perception was always myth, as evidenced by all unbiased economic analysts, but perceptions most often trump real facts - unfortunately.

Congress can infuse dollars at the most, but national and international corporations determine the worldwide, and the U.S., economy.

What we've been seeing, and will continue to see until the election, are test balloons launched by the Obama and the Romney campaign managers - hoping that one will catch fire and inflame an emotional component of the electorate.


We disagree.  An Administration can have an effect on the economy/employment.  The problem is how it is affected (I never know which one to use and where).  

Witness the Stimulus.  Pumping $800 million into the economy did decrease unemployment.  

Kennedy's mandate to put a man on the moon within a decade.  Ikes highway program?  Both of these were government programs that affected the economy..  

What did we get out of this president?  Bailing out the unions (GM), Banking regulations (Dodd/Frank) and a host of other programs were for the most parts economic duds!
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MARK LEVIN: TEA PARTY ONLY THING THAT STANDS 'BETWEEN LIBERTY AND TYRANNY'

Conservative scholar, talk radio host, and former Reagan administration official Mark Levin said conservatives need to first overthrow the Republican establishment to more successfully take on President Barack Obama and the institutional left.
“We cannot get through Obama and the left until we get through the Republican Establishment,” Levin said, railing against establishment consultants who attack the base and politicians who know nothing of “Burkean reform” because they have spent their whole careers “clawing their way to the top.”
In a talk at the Heritage Foundation on Wednesday with his mentor, former Reagan Attorney General Ed Meese, for whom Levin served as Chief of Staff, Levin said the Republican Party is, “devouring the conservative movement,” and the old bulls need to step aside in favor of a new generation of conservatives who are fluent in conservatism.
“It’s time for the old bulls to get out of the way and for the fresh faces who believe in conservatism and liberty and originalist principles to step up,” Levin said, criticizing those like House Speaker John Boehner for “yielding territory” to the left in negotiations.

Levin said the Tea Party consists of constitutionalists, libertarians, Evangelicals, and those who are against the rigged establishment, beltway culture that for too long has not embraced conservatism and, as a consequence, lost national elections (George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney).

“The Tea Party is the only thing that stands between liberty and tyranny,” Levin said. “We have to defeat the Republican establishment mush in Washington, D.C.”

Levin also named the establishment media organizations and institutions on the right that he said were not helping advance the conservative cause.

He said, “in a lot of our media outlets,” there are “a lot of old, dreary people who are just around all the time” who “reject” Reaganism.

Levin named Bill Kristol at the Weekly Standard, who recently called for more tax increases; and the National Review, the Washington establishment publication that vigorously supported Mitt Romney in the primaries, Levin said, in many ways, has “become a mouthpiece for the Republican party.”

Levin said the Republican Party will go the way of the Whig Party if they do not put out more “cutting-edge intellectuals and artistic” spokespeople for the conservative cause that transcends race or class.

Shortly after President Barack Obama was elected in 2008, Levin wrote Liberty and Tyranny, which sold over a million copies despite not being reviewed and being completely ignored by mainstream media outlets and programs.

The prescient book not only clearly articulated what would eventually turn out to be the Tea Party’s opposition to Obama’s statism (Levin knew what Obama was going to do before even Obama) but was also symbolic of how, in the new media age, books and ideas could commercially succeed without the legacy media institutions of yesterday that no longer act as gatekeepers.

To appeal to young people and minorities with conservatism, Levin said Republicans needed to call on parents and grandparents to have an impact on young people and appeal to their sense of liberty and anti-authoritarianism.
He said this “bottom up federalism” can appeal not only to young people but to minorities.

Levin noted that capitalism is the plan and the strategy is the constitution, and that was the foundation of Reaganism.
He said after Reagan, George H.W. Bush lurched to the left rather than “build up Reaganism” and the party and the conservative movement has not been the same since.
Levin also said ethnic front groups who want more balkanization instead of assimilation are also threats and need to be called out.

In talking about Republican institutions, Levin said the Republican National Committee needs to be managed better because, simply put, “when you lose, you gotta bring some other people here.”

“Backbenchers need to go to the front,” Levin said, noting that the frontbencher establishment class has been trying to “clean out” conservatives who do not toe the moderate, establishment line.

Levin said Obama would inevitably overreach on many fronts during his second term. For instance, Levin predicted Obama would try to break down America’s sovereignty by working with the United Nations on a global tax and committing America to more international military arrangements.

“The people are going to rise up,” Levin said.

When discussing the future of conservatism, Levin highlighted in particular Texas Senator-elect Ted Cruz and former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, among others.

“I love Sarah Palin,” Levin said.

“You see how intelligent she is?,” Levin asked, noting that Palin is nothing like the caricature of her on the left and in the mainstream media.
Levin said Palin should be given credit for effectively and enthusiastically articulating the conservative cause, even though she has been attacked by the mainstream media and the Republican establishment.

"Yet, she still rallies the base a hundred times more than these people telling us what we are supposed to do,” Levin said.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gove...tands-Between-Liberty-And-Tyranny


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