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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Gun Control  Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's just downright unneighborly...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATLANTA (AP) For the first time in 45 years, homicide has fallen off the list of the nation's top 15 causes of death, government health officials said Wednesday.

Murder dropped enough in 2010 that it was overtaken at No. 15 by a respiratory illness called pneumonitis, which is seen mainly in people 75 and older.

This is the first time since 1965 that homicide failed to make the list, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC's latest annual report on deaths contained several nuggets of good news:

¶ The infant mortality rate dropped to an all-time low of 6.14 deaths per 1,000 births in 2010. It was 6.39 the year before.

¶ U.S. life expectancy for a child born in 2010 was about 78 years and 8 months, up a little more than one month from life expectancy for 2009.

Heart disease and cancer remain the top killers, accounting for nearly half the nation's more than 2.4 million deaths in 2010, but the death rates from them continued to decline.

Death rates for five other leading causes of death also dropped in 2010, including stroke, chronic lower respiratory diseases, accidents, flu and pneumonia, and blood infections.

But death rates increased for Alzheimer's disease, which is the nation's sixth-leading killer; kidney disease (No. 8); chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (No. 12); Parkinson's disease (No. 14); and pneumonitis.

Homicide historically ranked fairly low on the list. Its highest ranking in the past decade was 13th, in 2001, and that was due in part to the 9/11 attacks.

Murder rates have been decline in recent years in New York, Detroit, Washington and other major cities.

It was long thought that violent crime increased in a troubled economy, and that is what happened in the 1970s. But criminologists have had difficulty explaining the recent declines, and some have simply chalked it up to good police work.
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Since being bumped off a list of Top 15 doesn't necessarily mean that the numbers have decreased, but simply that some other category had increased - in 2010 pneumonitis in old people (+75) as modern medicine keeps them from dying from other causes - I looked up the original AP article.

Homicides decreased from 16,799 in 2009 to 16,065 in 2010, when homicides were 0.67% of all the annual U.S. deaths, less than 1 of 100.

From 1990-2010, homicides by firearms decreased 76% in New York City, 70% in Los Angeles, and 49% in Chicago.

Homicides by firearms decreased from 11,493 in 2009 to 11,015 in 2010, or 0.46% of all U.S. deaths, about 30 a day in a population exceeding 312,816,391.    

For some reason, an editor at the Washington Times deleted the data in the last three paragraphs from the AP feed?

[The italicized computations are mine, and not in the original article].
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HOMICIDE DROP WHILE GUN OWNERSHIP RISES SHOWS ANTI-GUNNERS WRONG, SAYS CCRKBA

Thursday, January 12th, 2012

BELLEVUE, WA – This week’s revelation by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that homicide is no longer among the leading causes of death in the United States – at a time when gun ownership is at an all-time high – shows that the gun ban lobby has been wrong, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

“The CDC’s report for 2010 that removes homicide from the top 15 leading causes of death in this country coincides with a period of record high gun ownership,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “At the same time, increasing numbers of citizens have obtained concealed carry permits and licenses. This is pretty strong evidence that rising gun ownership does not translate to more violence and murder.”

Gottlieb, co-author of the newly-released SHOOTING BLANKS: Why Facts Don’t Matter to the Gun Ban Crowd with Dave Workman, noted that the CDC has long been a source of data exploited by gun prohibitionists.

“I wonder how anti-gunners will try to spin this report,” he mused. “Gun control extremists will have a hard time explaining how, after years of repeated predictions and warnings that more guns in private hands will result in more mayhem, that homicides are no longer among the top causes of death in the United States.

“Gun banners can’t have it both ways,” Gottlieb continued. “If the data had shown murders on the increase, you can bet your life savings that they would be screaming ‘We told you so!’ on every front page in America.”

Gottlieb said the CDC report is just one more demonstration of how wrong anti-gunners have been in their campaign of fear against private gun ownership.

“This new information correlates with national crime trends over the past few years, showing declining violent crime while gun ownership has increased,” he concluded. “You simply can no longer demonize gun ownership or the Second Amendment as a leading cause of crime.”

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I posted the article and computed the "0.46% of all U.S. deaths, about 30 a day in a population exceeding 312,816,391" was this point that "record high gun ownership" and "increasing numbers of citizens have obtained concealed carry permits and licenses" was the reason for the decrease in firearm homicides.

I have now reconsidered my initial judgment, and now see the reduction of firearm homicides as a combination of factors, not just those two.

The decline in firearm homicides in large cities (NY, LA and Chi-town - poverty, slums, gangs) was over a 20 year period when there were restrictive gun control laws enforced in those cities.  

Many laws are more restrictive in heavily populated areas; and historically - from colonial times when certain types of weapons were proscribed in town centers to the cowboy west when handguns were checked by the trailherders during their days/nights of leisure - the 2nd Amendment right has been legally infringed by location factors.

Also LEOs have become much more professional across the nation in those two decades.

So it isn't SOLELY the increased percentage of gun owners/carriers which accounts for the decrease in firearm homicides.

PS: In the "We the People" Forum there is a lot of quite interesting info about the status and composition of the States' militias - and the differing duties and responsibilities of the federal Congress and States' legislatures - from 1774 through 1787, which sets the stage for the separate ratification arguments about the 2nd Amendment - which occured after the U.S. Constitution had been ratified and implemented.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armed 64-year-old woman says to suspect "I will shoot you!"

 
VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. —
A 64-year-old Daytona woman didn't hesitate to pull a gun on a suspected car thief whom she caught running from deputies, WFTV learned on Wednesday.

Investigators said Roderick Willis was a wanted fugitive and was being tracked by a sheriff's helicopter.

The helicopter had a spotlight on him as he ran along the side of Karen Granville's home and into her backyard.

However, before he could climb the fence, Willis came face-to-face with Granville, who pointed a gun right at his face and said, "Don't you move mother f*****, I will shoot you! I will shoot you where you stand!"

For a mother who loves John Wayne and has a concealed weapon's license, that was her moment.

"He says, 'Please don't shoot me, please don't shoot me.' I says, 'Don't you move, you're moving.' I said, 'Don't you move.' Then, he put his hands behind his head. I says, 'You're moving!" Granville described.

Granville said she didn't know if Willis had a weapon, so she kept her gun trained on him until deputies arrived.

Deputies said they were after him because he was on the run in a stolen car, speeding up to 90 miles an hour.

Willis stopped on Redwood Street where he ended up staring down the barrel of Granville's .38-caliber revolver.

Granville's son, Kirk Granville, said it was a present he bought her for Christmas.

"Anybody who comes through this yard, they're going to be in trouble because, I mean, she's ready for them," said Kirk Granville.

Granville said she's been shooting guns her entire life, but it was previous drug deals and a murder on her street that motivated her to arm herself to keep her family safe.

"They'll shoot you, they'll break in. They'll get whatever they want, and I says it's not going to happen to me because I will shoot them," Granville said.

Deputies said they caught up with Willis and arrested him.

Investigators said they found $1,700 on him, along with crack-cocaine and marijuana in the stolen rental car.

Deputies said Willis faces fleeing and eluding and drug charges.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mayors reload in push for gun control
 
By Emily Flitter
February 4, 2012  

NEW YORK (Reuters - Among the slick, million-dollar ads for the likes of Pepsi and Honda during the Super Bowl this Sunday, viewers in New York and Boston will see a far more modest spot.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino will be sitting on a couch touting an issue most politicians avoid like the plague: gun control
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The two mayors, whose local teams face off in the big game, are making the pitch for Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), the organization they co-founded in 2006.

Murder has been on the decline in New York and other major American cities for years, but the mayors say they still see too many dead cops and teens. On Tuesday night, Bloomberg was at Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan visiting a New York police officer who had just been shot in the face in Brooklyn.

"We have someone who's dedicated his life to protecting all of us, who has had a much too close brush with death tonight because of what appears to be an illegal gun," Bloomberg told a news conference. He added that more Americans have been killed by illegal guns since 1968 than were killed in World War II.

Candidates for local and national office in the U.S. have faced sharp backlashes for advocating restraints on gun ownership, such as assault weapons or guns on campus. Such pushes draw fire from the well-funded National Rifle Association (NRA) and its allies.

For many defenders of the Constitution's Second Amendment - the right to bear arms - guns are the single issue on which they vote.

"We have to face the fact that both Democrats and Republicans have for a while viewed this as the third rail of American politics," said John Feinblatt, who helps run MAIG as Bloomberg's chief advisor for policy and strategic planning. (Bloomberg is an independent; Menino is a Democrat.)

Democrats, who are more likely than Republicans to favor some restrictions on gun ownership, made a conscious decision to stay away from the gun issue in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.

The aim: protect the so-called Blue Dog conservative Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives, who didn't toe the party line on gun control. Most were defeated anyway.

If the Democratic Party hoped to keep the gun issue off center stage in the 2012 presidential race, MAIG's campaign makes that unlikely. So does the fact that the NRA and the gun industry's trade group, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), have announced they will have a combined war chest of $225 million.

"We are anticipating having a voter-education effort that will be our largest effort ever," said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel at the NSSF.

NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre echoed the sentiment.
"I don't think this is going to be an apathetic year for American gun owners."

NO MORE CANDLES

New York's activist mayor cannot simply restrict handguns in his city - as he has done with smoking and transfats. Two Supreme Court decisions - District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago - have declared such local initiatives unconstitutional.

Instead, Bloomberg launched MAIG, which now has 600 members nationwide. Although it has a handful of private donors, the bulk of MAIG's $4 million budget comes out of the mayor's own pocket.

"He's putting his money where his mouth is," said Carolyn McCarthy, a Democratic congresswoman from Long Island. She entered politics after a 1993 shooting spree on the Long Island Rail Road left her husband dead and her son severely injured.

Bloomberg, in his third and last term, is free from concerns about electability and can tap a personal fortune of $19.5 billion, according to a November estimate by Forbes.

As for speculation that he might mount a presidential bid this round or next, his leadership on such a divisive issue makes that look less likely.

"There was a lot of political capital that was poured into this," one person who worked closely with MAIG said.

In the past, advocates for stricter gun controls held marches, rallies and candlelight vigils. MAIG has taken a far more activist approach, conducting undercover investigations and sting operations that are then dramatically revealed to the press.

In 2009, New York City contracted the security firm Kroll Inc. to send undercover agents to gun shows in Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada to show how people who could not pass a background check easily bought guns.

MAIG also used undercover investigators to expose gun dealers who sold to "straw purchasers," buyers intending to quickly resell the guns on the black market.

Another investigation identified online gun sellers who did not require background checks.

Bloomberg launched another probe after the January 2011 shooting in Arizona that killed six people and wounded 13, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Using city money, he sent undercover investigators to Arizona to repeat the gun show sting and prove how easy it was for someone like Jared Lee Loughner, the shooter, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia, to get a gun.

That move enraged supporters of unfettered gun rights.

"The 'sting' was a waste of money that misleads Americans and did nothing to reduce crime," wrote John Lott Jr., an economist who writes about guns, in a column on FoxNews.com. "Talk about an aggressive publicity stunt."

The NSSF's Keane said there are serious problems with many MAIG actions. He cited another investigation in which MAIG used gun data collected by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to sue dealers found to be selling guns to straw buyers.
"The New York City police department went to the ATF, traced data, turned that traced data over to private investigators, violated federal law, and interfered in 18 ongoing criminal investigations," he said. "The ATF had to pull agents out of the field because they were placed at risk."

Marc Lavorgna, a spokesman for the New York City mayor's office, said in response: "They can't argue the substance, so they continue to make a false, tired claim that has been directly refuted by the ATF. And the courts have validated that our investigations were legal." The ATF did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

Opponents of the mayors' efforts have also seized on a Department of Justice program codenamed "Fast and Furious" to discredit sting operations. Beginning in 2009, the ATF, investigating a gun-trafficking network in Arizona and Mexico, supplied 2,000 illegal guns they hoped to trace through the system so they could catch the leaders. Instead, they lost track of hundreds of the guns - two of which were found near the murder scene of Brian Terry, a border patrol agent, in 2010.

Last Thursday, Attorney General Eric Holder was called before a congressional committee for a second time to explain how the program went bad. He repeated that senior Justice Department and ATF officials had not known about the operation until it was over.

REAL CHANGE

Members of the MAIG say they are not trying to take guns away from their legal owners, just to close loopholes that allow criminals to get guns and move them around undetected.

"It's a serious safety issue," said Margaret Stock, the Democratic mayor of Butler, Pennsylvania, the town of 13,000 where Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum spent part of his childhood. "If an officer gets shot with an illegal gun I'm responsible."

Butler is in a sparsely populated area of western Pennsylvania where the first day of deer hunting season is often a school holiday.
"We're a big hunting community, but this is illegal handguns, it's a totally different issue," Stock said. "I had a little bit of backlash from local members of the NRA that I was somehow anti-gun. That was not the intent of the coalition."

MAIG's efforts have spurred some change. In 2008, Wal-Mart signed the voluntary 10-point code of conduct MAIG developed for gun sellers. It includes videotaping the area of a store where guns are sold, setting up a computerized gun tracing and alert system, and performing background checks on its employees.

An Ohio gun show operator identified in MAIG's 2009 sting began offering police and federal firearms agents a free booth at his shows to strengthen background checks and help dealers recognize straw buyers, according to the Dayton Daily News.

MAIG claims on its website that "four out of the seven gun shows and venues" fingered in the 2009 investigation "have changed their practices."

ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL

No one thinks gun control is going to be the most important issue in 2012, but there are specific races and constituencies where it certainly will matter.

One such race is northwestern Arkansas, where a 33-year-old Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran named Ken Aden is challenging his former battalion commander for a Congressional seat. Aden is running as a progressive Democrat; his Republican opponent, Steve Womack, is a freshman incumbent, part of the Tea Party sweep of the 2010 midterm elections.

Aden, who has already met with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and other party officials in Washington, has strong views on guns. He collects them, and say he knows what damage they can do. When Aden was 16 his father was shot and killed by his stepmother, using his dad's own 357 magnum and his shotgun. "We've got to keep guns out of the wrong hands," Aden said.

He supports the background checks mandated by the 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and has pledged in his platform to "fight to make sure that dangerous assault rifles and ammunition with no practical purpose in hunting, self-protection, or sport shooting ... stay off our streets."

Womack, for his part has co-sponsored several pieces of legislation to reinforce Second Amendment rights, including a bill that would force states to honor other states' concealed carry permits.

"New, more stringent gun laws will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals," Womack told the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in January 2011, after the Tucson shootings. "Rather, proper enforcement of our current laws will provide the necessary mechanisms to ensure the well-being of the American people."

The NRA is telling supporters that President Obama will outlaw guns in a second term by appointing Supreme Court justices to reverse the gains made in the Heller and McDonald decisions. The White House denies that it has any such aim.

"The real threat to the Second Amendment is the reelection of President Obama," said LaPierre.

He believes that other Democratic candidates will stay away from gun issues so as not to draw attention to Obama's ultimate game plan.

"Their strategy is to fog the issue through the 2012 election, because they don't want the Second Amendment or guns to prevent the reelection of President Obama," LaPierre said of the Democrats.

SWING VOTERS

Democratic strategist Celinda Lake, who has spent many years polling on gun issues, said her data suggest two audiences will be open to gun-control measures in the 2012 elections: Latinos and suburban women.

Her firm, Lake Research Partners, conducted a poll in late October for MAIG that found 76 percent of Latinos supported a new program requiring gun dealers in border states to report when someone attempts to buy more than one semi-automatic rifle within a five-day period.

Suburban women, Lake said, who are known to be swing voters, want guns kept out of their neighborhoods.

In addition to his work with MAIG, Mayor Bloomberg is keeping a close eye on elections all around the country. He has already backed six candidates for Virginia's state senate with contributions of $25,000 each, and may give to more candidates.

MAIG's Feinberg said the group had not yet identified congressional races it wanted to support, but, he added, "We're always watching."

(Additional reporting by Edith Honan)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ... such carefully worded statements ... "illegal guns" ... so much BS.

I see these measures as being the first domino in a line of dominos.  Once the first one falls it just continues on down the spiral.

Use the existing laws on the books to their fullest advantage to concentrate on the "illegal" guns.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to fire those that do not represent our interests.


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